The drop in trade has to be tough – with fewer containers to steal from and a lower flow of drugs/weapons/etc. for them to traffic to their mafia colleagues, it’s hardly worth the $100,000+ these guys make from their 3.5-4 day work week.
You’ve accused a group of people of theft, dealing drugs and weapons, working with organized crime, corruption, and laziness. Each of these alone are serious accusations and together should warrant a major police investigation. If you want to have any credibility at all, the least you could do is provide a bit of proof to back up these accusations (and “Google it lol” doesn’t really cut it).
While David(n) may safely be assumed to be blowing hot air most of the time, it’s not exactly an open secret that there is massive organized crime in the Port of Montreal, which very directly involves the longshoremen. Here’s a doc from 2001, not much has changed.
“The longshoremen are the individuals who unload the containers from the ships, put them on rail cars or trucks, and send them out. But one of the most important positions is the checker—in French they call them vérificateurs. They have what they call a stow plan, which is a document that says exactly what will be coming off a boat, and this way they’ll know exactly which container must go to which place and they will have these containers placed in a stack to move them with transport of any kind.
What we have noticed in the various investigations is that some containers, which were supposed to be placed in a certain place, were moved a few minutes later, and then five minutes later moved to another spot, and then moved to another spot and yet another spot, five or six times. This is because they know that there are cameras there and they know that sometimes police could be around with cameras or conducting surveillance on them. So this way it’s like the shell and nut kind of game and they’re trying to avoid being detected. And we know for a fact, through our investigation and through sources—we have human sources who give us that information—that they are doing this every time there is a specific container with illegal drugs.”
david28 12:36 on 2020-08-10 Permalink
The drop in trade has to be tough – with fewer containers to steal from and a lower flow of drugs/weapons/etc. for them to traffic to their mafia colleagues, it’s hardly worth the $100,000+ these guys make from their 3.5-4 day work week.
CE 12:38 on 2020-08-10 Permalink
I would be interested in seeing the sources you have that back up all these seemingly outlandish claims.
david28 12:43 on 2020-08-10 Permalink
Excellent contribution, thanks for that. If you’re having trouble, you could try google?
CE 12:58 on 2020-08-10 Permalink
You’ve accused a group of people of theft, dealing drugs and weapons, working with organized crime, corruption, and laziness. Each of these alone are serious accusations and together should warrant a major police investigation. If you want to have any credibility at all, the least you could do is provide a bit of proof to back up these accusations (and “Google it lol” doesn’t really cut it).
Kate 14:00 on 2020-08-10 Permalink
I’m in agreement with CE here, david28. Armchair slandering doesn’t cut it.
Mr.Chinaski 15:02 on 2020-08-10 Permalink
If it’s anything like in The Wire (and it probably is), it’s all corrupts out there on the docks…
Ian 15:20 on 2020-08-10 Permalink
While David(n) may safely be assumed to be blowing hot air most of the time, it’s not exactly an open secret that there is massive organized crime in the Port of Montreal, which very directly involves the longshoremen. Here’s a doc from 2001, not much has changed.
“The longshoremen are the individuals who unload the containers from the ships, put them on rail cars or trucks, and send them out. But one of the most important positions is the checker—in French they call them vérificateurs. They have what they call a stow plan, which is a document that says exactly what will be coming off a boat, and this way they’ll know exactly which container must go to which place and they will have these containers placed in a stack to move them with transport of any kind.
What we have noticed in the various investigations is that some containers, which were supposed to be placed in a certain place, were moved a few minutes later, and then five minutes later moved to another spot, and then moved to another spot and yet another spot, five or six times. This is because they know that there are cameras there and they know that sometimes police could be around with cameras or conducting surveillance on them. So this way it’s like the shell and nut kind of game and they’re trying to avoid being detected. And we know for a fact, through our investigation and through sources—we have human sources who give us that information—that they are doing this every time there is a specific container with illegal drugs.”
https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/37-1/SNUD/meeting-13/evidence
thomas 17:31 on 2020-08-10 Permalink
Isn’t it the “West End Gang” (Irish Westies) that has infiltrated (controls?) the Port of Montreal?
Ian 06:52 on 2020-08-11 Permalink
Historically there are a lot of different groups that have action going on through there including the bikers and the mafia as well.