CSDM to open new grade school in Griffintown
The CSDM has announced a new grade school will open in Griffintown, on Basin Street, although not when. I feel an urge to make book on possible names for it – of course you know what it should be…
The CSDM has announced a new grade school will open in Griffintown, on Basin Street, although not when. I feel an urge to make book on possible names for it – of course you know what it should be…
Jack 22:20 on 2019-11-13 Permalink
If the CSDM is naming the new school here are the probabilities.
1. Ecole Bernard Drainville
2. Ecole Loco Locass
3. Ecole Pierre Falardeau
4. Ecole Pierre Bourgault
5. Ecole Pauline Julien
I put my money on 5, because Gerald Godin , Camille Laurin, Alice Parizeau are already taken.
denpanosekai 23:40 on 2019-11-13 Permalink
Worse is that Basin street is actually going to be renamed Des Bassins: https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/basin-st-becomes-des-bassins
Filp 04:37 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
I like reading this blog, but the comments can be a bit hysterical at times. Did y’all get lost on your way to the gazette comment section or…?
Kate 09:00 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
Filp, you’re confusing satirical with hysterical.
Filp 11:11 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
To me the separatist boogeyman is hysterical. Watch out, a school might be named after one…or there might be one in your closet!!!!! Boo!!!
Things get named after politicians, even the ones you might not have supported at the time
qatzelok 11:17 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
Likewise, the feigned nostalgia for “Basin Street.” So many memories of citing Winston Churchill, union jack under me arm, while eating a Tim Hortons donut on Basin Street. (satire alert)
Kate 11:49 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
qatzelok, Filp, I’m trying to discern whether you wish to police how we feel, or how we express ourselves here.
Are anglos really not allowed to feel a certain way about the loss of their part of this culture?
Are we assumed to be hypocrites, pretending to feel a certain way when you think, that as anglos, we really have no legitimate feelings?
Or, if we do feel a certain pique about the gradual removal of our existence, culture and history from the public scene, are we being requested not to speak about it – even in jest?
Filp 14:22 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
Kate, I think you’re reading into my comment quite a bit. I don’t think me commenting on what I observe as hysteria is equivalent to policing this blog. There is a certain part of the Anglo community that has a big issue with dead politicians they don’t like, and cannot fathom why anyone would want to honor them. I don’t think naming a CSDM school after a separatist is a bad thing. And there are obviously others who agree with me. Politicians you may not have liked did have a long standing effect on Quebec’s history and culture, and deserve to have their place in the city’s toponymie and public spaces. Like the bust of Camille Lauren on Sherbrooke, which I’m sure doesn’t have many fans around this blog, but many would consider important to the survival of the French language in Quebec.
On another note: Is renaming basin to des bassins really an erasure of culture though? Why does a street name describing a local geographical feature have to be in English? De la Montagne is basically just mountain street too.
Filp 14:28 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
Camille Laurin* just to correct myself lol
dwgs 14:31 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
Ah Flip, you’ve stepped in it there. Mountain Street was never named for the mountain but rather for George Jehoshaphat Mountain, who was a man of some accomplishments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mountain
Filp 14:34 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
Ah thanks for correcting me! Didn’t know that
But it still stands, does something named after a geographical feature have to stay in English?
Filp 14:38 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
On his wikipedia page it does mention some ambiguity regarding the street name, saying Montagne has existed on maps for a while. Would be curious to see the history behind that one
Clément 14:49 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
dwgs, Filp, according to the “Répertoire de toponymie de Montréal” (Doesn’t seem to be linkable content):
rue de la Montagne
Date de désignation :
avant 1761
Arrondissement :
Le Sud-Ouest
Ville-Marie
Certains ont prétendu que ce nom n’avait aucune relation avec la montagne et qu’il rappellerait Jacob Mountain, premier évêque anglican de Québec. Toutefois, la rue de la Montagne est à l’origine un chemin ou sentier qui conduit à la montagne et, à partir du XVIIe siècle, à la mission amérindienne des sulpiciens. Une carte de la ville, tracée par Jourdain La Brosse, en date de 1761, montre le chemin appelé «chemin des Sauvages de la montagne». L’emplacement de ce chemin correspond à celui démontré plus tard sur des cartes comme étant le «chemin de la Montagne», aujourd’hui rue de la Montagne.
Il est démontré dans un plan de la ville de l’arpenteur Jean Péladeau, tracé en 1778, que «les courbes du chemin devront être redressées». Cela prouve encore une fois que le «chemin de la Montagne» existe et est nommé bien avant l’arrivée de Jacob Mountain, en 1793. Il semble que ce chemin rejoint un sentier qui suit à peu près la rue Sherbrooke.
Tiré de :
Ville de Montréal. Les rues de Montréal. Répertoire historique. Montréal: Méridien, 1995
Kate 16:07 on 2019-11-15 Permalink
Using that logic, Bishop Street ought to become… rue l’Évêque!
Jack 14:57 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
Flip thanks for your comment I was being flip. The reason is when I was riding my bike in P Ex and saw the naming of the schools it made me laugh. Because Camille Laurin and Barthélemy Vimont have had a lot to do with the cultural construct of P Ex over the years. The PQ dominated the CSDM commissioners for years so they’d name things after their canon ( Alice Parizeau, Gilles Vigneault, Felix Leclerc). Thats what I was making fun of and of course everything else named after Michel Chartrand.
jeather 16:29 on 2019-11-14 Permalink
I’m mostly against renaming streets in general and to politicians in particular, but in particular I see that a lot of renaming is from English street names to French words or politicians. I haven’t done a statistical analysis of this, but it’s been ongoing for a long time.
J.T 01:28 on 2019-11-15 Permalink
Bernard Landry? a fermentor of sectarian hate who has no relation to the area? Even a french Griffintowner like myself wouldnt approve of that… The pq and bloc have never had strong support from french ppl in the griff or even the rest of the southwest…Oscar Peterson? again? He shoulda got Lionel Groulx st and metro but he’s already got Campbell park in his own neighbourhood Little Burgundy….Hysteria & satire aside it would be nice of the city to name places in Griffintown after actual local ppl or institutions that mean something to Griffintown ppl, french and english alike… if they dont know just ask it aint like we are all dead most ppl still live minutes away in the other parts of the southwest…just off the top of my head Leo Leonard…Frank Hanley…Tony Walsh founder of labre house…Papa Palmerino Sorgente …Emily Coonan…Someone from the O’Connell or O’Donnell families long time employers in the area who stuck around…if it absolutely has to be french then someone from the clergy over at ste-helene church or school …Valerie Plante and her southwest lapdogs Ben Dorais Craig Sauve and Sterling Downey should pull their heads out their asses on this one…It only adds insult to injury after their drastic property tax increases thru out the poorest parts of the southwest…I’m now looking at 5+gs in taxes for a tinderbox triplex in Village-Turcot that hasnt been renovated since the flash flood of 87…Un gros marci val !