People fear admitting Covid contact data
Some people diagnosed with Covid are suppressing crucial contact information because they’re afraid of getting fined if they admit to social gatherings.
Could someone even be fined if they said they had been at a party or other gathering? Wouldn’t fines depend on being found on the premises by police?
Some information is available on when various groups will be vaccinated.
Inevitably, some covidiots are planning protest marches against the curfew starting Saturday night.
Radio-Canada reports that Dr Mylène Drouin says contagion is mostly due to proximity in private life. Not sure how that squares with the following, which is current on Santé Québec as I write (click to enlarge):
Chris 20:06 on 2021-01-08 Permalink
Why do you deem those against the curfew as ‘covidiots’? Being against a curfew doesn’t mean they don’t believe covid is real or serious. If they are masked and don’t march too closely to one another, seems reasonable. Does merely protesting during the pandemic make you a covidiot? (If so, that applies to all the BLM protesters a few months ago too, right?)
According to this Globe article, in the last paragraph: “Provincial data indicate that nearly half of the active COVID-19 outbreaks in Quebec started in workplaces, and elder care homes and schools accounted for much of the other outbreaks.” In other words, the majority of cases are from things already closed during curfew hours. Yet barely any additional constraints on those places.
I just don’t see the need for name-calling ad hominems just for having honest policy disagreements.
Blork 20:14 on 2021-01-08 Permalink
It’s not the protesting that makes them idiots, it’s WHY they’re protesting. Anyone who can’t accept a minor and temporary inconvenience for a few weeks as a valid drastic attempt to turn around a really bad situations is, well, an idiot.
vasi 20:27 on 2021-01-08 Permalink
Kate, I think most transmissions at home don’t reach the threshold for an “outbreak”. Even the existing “milieux” listed in that chart aren’t comparable if I recall correctly, there’s a different definition for each of them.
I’m still not sure I really believe that most infections come from the home though.
Kate 21:43 on 2021-01-08 Permalink
vasi, I admit to a kind of low-grade suspicion that the CAQ wants us to feel that transmissions are the result of individual social decisions and not the fault of industry or commerce. We’ll see.
dhomas 07:03 on 2021-01-09 Permalink
What is there to do passed 20h nowadays anyway? Restaurants and bars are already closed. Where are you going? Most people I’ve heard complaining are just tired of the pandemic and looking for reasons to be upset. They’re already not leaving their houses at night, but are upset at the prospect of not being allowed to if they wanted to. Reminds me a bit of those folks complaining about voie Camillien-Houde being closed… from their homes in Rosemère. This will affect most people a total of zero percent, but it’s the perceived curtailing of “freedoms” that is bothersome to them.
John B 09:42 on 2021-01-09 Permalink
The thing people do after 20h is… go home from parties or family gatherings. That’s what I think the curfew is designed to stop.
su 10:05 on 2021-01-09 Permalink
It feels like has been almost no coverage of workplace transmission compared to individual and social transmission . This is odd when considering those stats .
Kevin 12:36 on 2021-01-09 Permalink
As far as I can determine there are a couple of large sources of transmission.
Almost half are happening at work of whatever kind. The only way that stops is by locking everything down or creating safety inspectors with extraordinary powers such as walking into every workplace in the province, unannounced, and fining or close workplaces in the spot. (I wouldn’t trust any govt to do that without it being abused.)
The second worrisome source is the lying/uncaring superspreader, who doesn’t know or doesn’t care if they are sick, and who sees dozens or hundreds of people while contagious.
And yes, there aren’t many of these people, but it only takes one.
This is who the curfew targets.
Chris 11:59 on 2021-01-10 Permalink
Blork, and you claim to know *why* all those people are protesting? Perhaps many of them think covid could be better reduced with different “minor and temporary inconveniences”, like closing schools or workplaces. I think reasonable people can disagree on the pros and cons of such tradeoffs.
dhomas, I previously did all my grocery shopping after 20h00.
su, it’s not odd. Money talks. Freedom of assembly, freedom of movement, and freedom of religion are less important that the freedom to make profit and keep the economy going.