Police called to religious gathering
Police were called to a gathering of 100 people in Outremont on Sunday morning, apparently a Hasidic funeral. The people dispersed peacefully and no tickets were handed out.
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Chris 15:52 on 2021-03-15 Permalink
“apparently”? Article says “The vice-president of the Council of Hasidic Jews, Max Lieberman, however, said it was the funeral of one of their own.”
no tickets = no inducement to change this behaviour.
Kate 18:06 on 2021-03-15 Permalink
They also said the event was held outdoors.
I tend to assume anything said in a situation like this is open to interpretation at best, and is more than likely to consist of statements issued in hopes of making the police go away quickly and quietly.
Ephraim 19:15 on 2021-03-15 Permalink
@Chris – They won’t change their behaviour. Look at the stats from Israel, they were infected at more than double the rate of the general public and died in even higher numbers, because they live with so many people in the same house, don’t follow guidelines, don’t wear the masks properly, etc.
Chris 21:10 on 2021-03-15 Permalink
Ephraim, oh, for sure. But at least ticketing would 1) pay for some of the cops’ time 2) possibly dissuade others (non-Hasidics).
Ephraim 22:01 on 2021-03-15 Permalink
@Chris – Depends on the Haredi group.
They will fight it, causing rising court costs. They, of course, will scream and yell that the government is being Nazis (which annoys me to no end, because they always do this, because apparently no one has actually studied analogies, similes or metaphors, nevermind actual history) and decry religious persecution, when it’s not about the religion, it’s about their specific cult. And the healthcare costs that they are running up because they just can’t be bothered to be courteous to others.
Most of them are poor. How poor? Kiryas Joel in NY is so poor that 5/8th of them live under the poverty line, more than 40 percent receive food stamps. See https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/nyregion/kiryas-joel-a-village-with-the-numbers-not-the-image-of-the-poorest-place.html So when they can’t pay the fine, they will have to go to jail… but you see, then need kosher certified food and can’t work on Friday night and Saturday… oh and of course need at least 9 other Jewish men to pray with them, so you need to sentence 9 other Jewish men at the same time. And on and on and on…
Kate 09:30 on 2021-03-16 Permalink
Ephraim: You say most are poor. I’ve always had the impression that some of them are very rich, am I mistaken? They don’t live it up in obviously flashy ways, but I had the idea some of them own a lot of real estate.
Ephraim 10:46 on 2021-03-16 Permalink
Depends on the cult, actually. In the case of Satmar, very very poor. In the case of Belz, it might be entirely different. Then there are the donations that they beg for so that they can be paid a stipend while studying. Employment levels, even in Israel are in the 30% to 50%, with women being more employed than men. Often running small businesses so they have flexibility… like selling housewares to other Haredi households. They are often a source of low paid jobs, even cutting diamonds is a low paying job, because they need work with flexibility to stop and go pray. So it’s easy to abuse. And they live in cramped quarters, often multigenerational with lots of kids.