Boys arrested for shot in TMR
Two boys were arrested in TMR on Wednesday for shooting a gun. They were located in a car (which reminds me that 16-year-olds can drive, yikes).
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Bill Binns 11:23 on 2021-04-22 Permalink
Where does the publication ban on the names of minors accused with crimes come from? Is it federal or provincial? It’s really one of the most glaring differences between life in the US and Canada.
Kate 11:30 on 2021-04-22 Permalink
I believe it’s part of the Youth Criminal Justice Act. The idea is not to let minors ruin their lives before they have a chance to grow up.
JS 12:27 on 2021-04-22 Permalink
This happened in the industrial part of TMR at Pare/Devonshire, not the mostly tony residential areas east of Decarie. This is among the most nowhere parts of the city, there is absolutely zero going on anywhere in the area except offices, warehouses, workshops, factories, garages, and parking lots, etc. The incident happened at 5:30 pm, after many in the area have split after their work day, but plenty of people, including yours truly who works a block and a half away from the kids’ impromptu shooting gallery, are still around at this time.
These kids are idiots btw: If they’d continued driving down to the end of Royalmount, a block north, they’d reach the train yards where they could shoot each other till the cows come home without attracting unwanted attention.
Ephraim 12:39 on 2021-04-22 Permalink
It’s actually very important to protect people underage, their brain is still developing. Catching them and setting them right at that age will usually has close to 100% success. But they usually need a mentor for the highest success rates. (Which is why we might want to consider having a system to expunge records for many minor crimes before the age of 25).
Bill Binns 12:47 on 2021-04-22 Permalink
Thanks Kate.
Ephraim, all laudable goals. Myself, I’m a little more concerned with their victims or potential victims. I’m sure whomever has the misfortune of living next to these mischievous scamps would like to know that they are armed with deadly weapons. It would give them a chance to keep their pets indoors and practice their duck and cover technique.
Ephraim 16:50 on 2021-04-22 Permalink
@Bill They have records, but they are expunged later. You don’t want to print because they will be expunged. But intervention and mentoring needs to be done.
Incidentally, of major crimes, what crime do you think actually has the lowest recidivism rate? The lowest rate (ie the best) is actually homicide/manslaughter, second on the list is actually sex crimes and third is drug convictions. In fact in sex crimes the recidivism rates diminish that by year 16, they are no more likely to reoffend than the general population.
Bill Binns 17:07 on 2021-04-22 Permalink
Don’t you find the “expunging” of criminal records to be quite literally Orwellian? Something happened, someone was hurt, killed, raped whatever and it just gets wiped away as if it never happened? All so people who may not want to marry, live near or employ a violent criminal won’t have the opportunity to screen them out? Do you remember the job of the main character in 1984?
As far as recidivism rates, hidden in those stats are innocent people that were murdered because society wanted to give a known murderer another chance. I’m just not ok with that. I would rather every convicted murderer spend life in a dungeon than have a single innocent person lose their life.
CE 17:37 on 2021-04-22 Permalink
Personally, I’m much more afraid of someone with Bill Binns’s worldview coming into power and making decisions than I am of being the victim of a criminal.
Ephraim 18:49 on 2021-04-22 Permalink
@Bill Binns – No. The mind is developing and people do stupid things. I’m sure you can list a bunch of stupid things you did when you were younger. Things you would never do today. It’s the age where you try stupid things, like smoke your first cigarette, speed on the road at 4AM, shoplift, etc. The number of people who would have to live with that stupid choice would mean not being able to travel, having trouble to find a job, etc.
As for the low recidivism rate, it’s pretty much predictable with manslaughter and homicide who those people who won’t repeat will be… most people. Same is likely true with the sex crimes.
As I have said before, there is no correlation between crime and punishment. The same way that there is no correlation between crime and police statistics. How many of the criminals from the stock market ever get punished the way they should? Almost no one.