How the REM will change suburban buses
Metro goes into some detail about how the REM will change Exo’s suburban bus routes, essentially supplanting them in ferrying South Shore commuters in and out of town.
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mare 23:58 on 2021-04-26 Permalink
All eggs in one basket. The REM better not break down on the new Champlain bridge during rush hour… Ever.
Uatu 10:38 on 2021-04-27 Permalink
A reminder that the only real beneficiaries of the REM are the residents of the condo developments built by the cdpq infra. Every one else gets an added “last mile” tacked on to their commute whether they like it or not. I specifically chose my apartment because it eliminated the last mile, but looks like I’m back to waiting in the cold. Also there will still be traffic jams except they’re going to be in the streets leading to the train stations. But what do you expect from a transit system designed by people who never use it and rubber stamped by bureaucrats in QC who view Montreal with contempt
Spi 11:10 on 2021-04-27 Permalink
@mare because the old system of reserved bus lanes wasn’t just as vulnerable in case of breakdown? At least the new Champlain has a shoulder that’s can be used as bus lanes.
@Uatu, CDPQi is not building any condos.
Kevin 12:36 on 2021-04-27 Permalink
The head of the Caisse testified Tuesday morning at a parliamentary hearing.
He estimates that only 40-50% of REM travel will be to-from work, and he says provincial estimates are that only 20% of all work going forward will be WFH.
That second figure seems absurdly low https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/03/24/le-teletravail-plus-populaire-au-quebec-que-dans-les-autres-provinces
steph 14:15 on 2021-04-27 Permalink
I don’t understand the public transport plans of ‘replacing’ old modes, vs ‘augmenting’. If ridership wasn’t going to be increasing, why did we have to re-invent the wheel?
mare 15:34 on 2021-04-27 Permalink
@spi When the metro breaks down, or is blocked because someone jumped in front of it, the STM *owns* busses and employs drivers and can use them on short notice to run a bypass route. CPQInfra doesn’t own busses and doesn’t employ bus drivers and they might be reluctant to hire them immediately after a blockade because the cost might go on their budget (but maybe not, and exo wil foot the bill).
There is also no staff on the train, so dealing with a person or object on/near the track might take longer.
We’ll see…
dhomas 17:09 on 2021-04-27 Permalink
@Spi CDPQi is not building any condos. Otera Capital and Ivanhoe Cambridge, on the other hand….
It’s hard to tell what and where they are building, but Otera Capital shows on their website that 40% of their projects are in residential, and 24% of their *global* portfolio is in Quebec.
https://www.oteracapital.com/en/about-us/activities
Guess who owns Otera Capital and Ivanhoe Cambridge. If you guessed the CDPQ, you’d be right.
I’ll be curious to watch who builds what around those new REM stations. Not that funding public transit with real estate is necessarily a bad thing, but it could be a conflict of interest. Instead of servicing already high density areas (like, for example, Anjou, where the Blue Line is about to get scrapped), they are creating demand where there is none, and contributing to sprawl at the same time. It’s all very sketchy to me.
Tim S. 18:57 on 2021-04-27 Permalink
@Spi buses could be diverted to other bridges. I have fond memories of magical mystery tours on the 45.
ant6n 19:02 on 2021-04-27 Permalink
Once we start being picky about ownership, we could note that CDPQInfra isn’t owning trains either. They just own 51% of the REM, which in turn owns trains.
The amount of commuting has been surprisingly low in general. In Germany, there are statistics that show the “reasons” for trips, and work is only 16%, study 11%. Surprisingly high is recreation 28%, shopping 16%, taking care of something 14%. I do wonder whether these statistics come about because they consider only the next destination – but if my day consists of a chain of trips, where in the middle there is 8h spent in the office, to me the main reason for leaving the house is still work.
In any case, diversification of trip reasons has been ongoing, its not just a covid phenomenon.
[1] page 61: http://www.mobilitaet-in-deutschland.de/pdf/MiD2017_Ergebnisbericht.pdf