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  • Kate 22:33 on 2021-09-07 Permalink | Reply  

    Both Montreal and Varennes would like to see Île Ste-Thérèse become a park. This piece says it’s been tried before, but the last attempt must be more than 20 years ago because I don’t remember it ever being mentioned during the time I’ve been blogging.

    I did ask once whether anyone knew what the deal was with the island – it’s bigger than Nuns’ Island, bigger than the aggregate of Jean-Drapeau park and, if the whole thing became a park, it would be bigger than Mount Royal or Cap St‑Jacques parks – but that was in a previous recension of the blog and I don’t have the replies handy.

    On Google Maps aerial view, about two thirds of the island is agricultural, and the piece says the land belongs to the province, which rents it to a farmer. One question to ask is whether we’d lose valuable farmland close to the city if this plan proceeds. Another is how much of it would end up paved over for parking. A lot of the non-plowed area seems to be wetlands, and would they be left as is, as a nature preserve?

    Update: Wednesday, Radio-Canada calls the idea a parc écotouristique.

     
    • Blork 23:09 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

      I doubt very much that it would become a highly developed park, given its location and that the only way to get there would likely be by boat. More likely it would be sort of a “wild” park with a few beaches and hiking/cycling trails, and maybe some camping. Possibly a sort of douchebaggy marina/beach as the most developed part, and even that would be small.

      It would be a shame if the agricultural land were lost.

      Look at the Boucherville islands. They have agriculture, camping, cycling/hiking, and even a goddamn golf course. But you can drive to there. Happily, parking lots take up only a small amount of space. Eliminate car trippers entirely and you will most def not have a busy urbanized park.

    • MarcG 08:47 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      If that agriculture is just more corn and soy (which is what it looks like from heaven) I wouldn’t consider it a big loss. This is what a small, diversified farm growing food for humans looks like https://goo.gl/maps/xchYs75TMuDBXAXf7.

    • Kate 09:26 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      Interesting. So somebody’s making some kind of profit on that island by growing corn or soy – it’s worth it to bring over farm equipment and people, presumably, to cultivate and harvest, and all done by boat.

      Actually, one option for the park would be to keep some part of it as an organic farm, doing more varied crops than they’re growing now.

      Another question occurs to me: it looks like there are few trees on the whole island. Were there never trees? Or were they all chopped down to create farmland, probably a century or more ago?

    • Kevin 10:14 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      It’s been five years since the provincial government started expropriating people from their properties on the island. Some left, but a couple dozen people have court dates next year. In some cases, they’ve had properties in their family for more than a century.

    • MarcG 10:14 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      The footprint of the “farm” is actually quite small and since all the tilling, planting, harvesting, spraying, etc is done by driving trucks around, you don’t need a lot of people. Someone sent their drone around the island and took a ton of great 360 photos. https://goo.gl/maps/RWDXHA16S2Kq7DFj6

    • Kate 11:05 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      Those are nice, MarcG, thank you.

      You would think they could allow those folks with cabins along the waterfront to keep them, even if some of the land becomes a park. Consider Île de la Visitation park, which is smaller, but contains about a dozen houses that must have been grandfathered in.

      Kevin, that’s sort of sad. Yes, people would like a park, but if I owned land that had been in my family for so long, I’d certainly fight to keep it.

    • JS 11:27 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      It’s weird that the La Presse article is silent regarding the Boucherville islands park, which is so close by that it probably feels insulted. It has a tunnel to Montreal and a bridge to the south shore and seasonal ferry service from Montreal and from the south shore. Most of it is reserved for farmland, and there’s also a golf course, a hotel, and something that’s probably a water treatment facility, but there’s an orientation centre, education exhibits, etc. There’s probably there more wildlife than on the farm-only Ste-Therese.

      And speaking of underappreciated, less accessible parks nearby, Iles Boinfoin, Aigle, Bois Blanc, and a little further down river, Beauregard, are already incorporated into the Hochelaga Archipelago Nature Preserve: http://naturedestinations.ca/destinations/hochelaga-archipelago

      (And what’s the story with all the houses on Ste-Therese facing Montreal? Do they have electricity and plumbing? Do they pay property taxes? Will they be grandfathered in like the houses on Ile de la Visitation?)

    • Kate 15:51 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      JS, the Îles de Boucherville is a provincial (“national”) park, so it’s possible they put it in a different conceptual category. Although from what’s said above, it seems clear it’s Quebec that’s been trying to acquire Île Ste‑Thérèse, so who knows.

  • Kate 21:44 on 2021-09-07 Permalink | Reply  

    Driverless buses are going to be tried out on a section of Plaza St‑Hubert this fall, first with no passengers, then with actual live people aboard as of October.

    Incidentally, that photo from Le Devoir is out of date, the plaza being all done now. There’s a caption explaining this, but they’re usually a little more on the ball with relevant photos.

    Radio-Canada has a photo of the cartoon-like red bus, as does TVA.

     
    • Blork 22:31 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

      Funny that they’re testing without passengers at first, presumably as a show of being safety-conscious. But it’s not really the people on the bus who are at risk; it’s the pedestrians and cyclists on the outside.

    • Kate 22:40 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

    • David775 23:11 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

      Cool background on the people behind it, and the prior testing. Like that it’s local/French, rather than American. Nice change.

      Anyway, this is the future. I’ve mentioned that I rode the waymo driverless taxi service down in Arizona a couple months ago. The service is flawless, and that technology is going to change everything about transportation.

      In the public realm, buses are going to kill all construction of new trains that aren’t grade-separated, because they’re just so much better bang for the buck. The only new transit systems going forward will be grade separated, as that’s where you get the speed that can compete with the convenience and price of driverless taxis/buses.

    • Kate 08:15 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      I doubt we will ever have fully driverless buses on most of the city’s streets, but they may function OK as shuttles in less demanding situations. There was a driverless bus shuttling around the Olympic park for awhile. I saw it working, but I don’t know whether it’s been in service since the pandemic.

      This new one will shuttle up St‑Hubert and then back down St‑André. St‑Hubert is now down to one lane and St‑André in that area is an odd hybrid, the west side functioning more or less as a back alley to businesses on the plaza, the east side residential, and also with one lane of traffic. Neither of these situations is at all challenging, from a driving perspective, and the Plaza experiment is meant to be over in early December before any real snow comes.

    • Kevin 10:52 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      I have to disagree about driverless technology — it’s not going to become widespread until we have another quantum change or two in processing power or a dramatic change in programming.

      I think Waymo is demonstrating the flaws in the tech.

      1) Its autonomous cars operate in Phoenix, a city with very few rainy days.
      2) The cars are limited to the part of Phoenix that coincidentally is the area with the fewest pedestrian-vehicle collisions.
      3) This project has been going on for about five years with all the resources of Google behind it, and they’re still not operating autonomously in other cities, let alone the west side of Phoenix.

      It’s like driving lessons: closed track, low-traffic industrial neighbourhood, low-variable highway, low-variable residential area — but they cannot handle construction, busy intersections, throngs of pedestrians, or weather.

    • Ephraim 14:27 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      For driverless to work, we are going to need to make changes. We need to standardize all of North American signs and practices. For example, when a lane enters a highway, in parts of Quebec they put in the lines and in parts they don’t. Driverless cars (or mode) is programmed to stay in the middle of the lane, so in Bas St-Laurent where they don’t paint this line, a car will swerve to the right to move to the middle of the lane. But in Chaudiere-Appalaches where they do draw this line, the car sits nicely.

      The second part is that when you go driverless, the pedestrians and the cyclist are going to have to follow the rules of the road as well, because the cars are programmed. That means that cyclists can’t drive through a stop sign of red traffic light because the programming says it’s clear. And that means that pedestrians will have to cross at the corners. On the other side, it means that cars won’t need to “lean in” for that right hand turn.

      I do think we will see full self-driving on highways sooner than in the cities. But Tesla cars can already do from before the entry to the exit.

    • Blork 16:34 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      Ephraim, driverless vehicles are a bit more sophisticated than that. They have sensors galore to watch out for pedestrians, cyclists, vehicles, etc. Although I opened this comment thread by casting doubt on that, the reality (for the most part) is that most driverless vehicle tests that have been conducted (most famously the Google ones in California) show that driverless vehicles are safer than human-driven ones. For one thing, a driverless vehicle monitors dozens of visual and sonar points simultaneously, whereas a human can only look at one place at a time.

      BWT, I’m talking about truly autonomous vehicles, not the “driver assist” semi-autonomy you see in many cars today.

      Anyone who has ever backed out of a tight parking spot or even a driveway will know what I mean. You have vehicles, bicycles, and pedestrians potentially coming from both the left and the right, but you can only look at one place at a time. If you have one of those cameras it’s actually worse in some ways, as it means you now have THREE places to look (left, right, the monitor) instead of two.

      Note to pedestrians walking near backing-up vehicles: the driver cannot see everything at once, and they go on the assumption that if a vehicles is backing up near you, you’ll be smart enough to not walk in front of it.

    • Ephraim 16:44 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      Blork – The problem is that car reactions are programmed. Meaning that they are built around certain rules of the road. The sooner they are standard, the sooner the roads are safer. Predictability is important. But as I have pointed out, a sudden movement near a newer car can also cascade into an accident…. they are programmed to brake in an emergency, without driver interaction. Years and years of programming experience has shown me that. If you have a blank for people to fill, Someone, somewhere will find a way to break it using an unpredictable input… a ₪ or ₹ sign instead of a letter. You have to limit the inputs to get the best output.

    • david552 19:15 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      Waymo has just expanded to San Francisco, which is probably where they should have started in the first place, given the far more challenging conditions there. If you open up in Waymo app within the city, you can become a ‘trusted rider,’ basically a beta tester type who’ll sign a bunch of liability waivers and, I assume, nondisclosure, considering nothing has come up youtube or whatever. Waymo, and especially its rival Cruise, have been driving around that town for years now.

      It’s true that the technology doesn’t scale in any but the biggest cities with the lowest rates of car-ownership, if you have to drive millions of miles before you can deploy it in a given area. The Chinese are moving to this in a big way, and it makes perfect sense in their cities, where it will scale, despite the high cost of mapping everything out. You can also see this further tanking NYC’s subway ridership, and killing things like the Portland streetcar, the Toronto streetcar, etc.

      But yeah, I don’t know what google is doing, but it looks like they’ve been using their time in Arizona and driving around time to learn and sort stuff out, and I think maybe the idea for Waymo was to work out the worst kinks in a low risk area like Chandler, then move up to the next level in SF.

      You have so many self-driving cars now using all sorts of variations in the technology – cameras, LIDAR, GPS, whatever – that it’s really only a matter of when the tech gets cheap enough (and the uptake high enough) to get it into a coverage area to be useful to you. If I can truly be taken around SF next year in a driverless car at a decent price (my Arizona rides were like $6-7), then it can’t be more than five years away in any city on the continent.

    • david552 19:56 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

      Here’s a cool, super easy to understand explanation of how Waymo’s tech works from their blog:
      https://blog.waymo.com/2021/08/MostExperiencedUrbanDriver.html

      Driving 100k/miles per week in San Francisco alone!

    • Uatu 10:30 on 2021-09-09 Permalink

      Eh. There have been cabs for hire even before the invention of cars and there are still trains and buses and trolleys.

  • Kate 21:26 on 2021-09-07 Permalink | Reply  

    A man was shot dead in St‑Léonard Tuesday evening. The photo caption reminds us that Piero Arena was shot at in June on the terrasse of the Café Sorrento, but escaped unharmed. Tuesday, he was executed in the garage of a condo building on Jean‑Talon.

    Update: TVA gets into aspects of Arena’s history and claims that he was an ally of the Cotroni clan. The Gazette’s Paul Cherry also gives a retrospective of Arena’s bouts with the law.

     
    • Kate 15:42 on 2021-09-07 Permalink | Reply  

      François Legault calls the EMSB ‘radical’ because it wants to challenge Bill 96 – the Loi sur la langue officielle et commune du Québec, le français – to the Supreme Court.

      Not only that, but Denis Coderre has removed Joe Ortona as an Ensemble candidate because he (and the EMSB) don’t buy the basic premises of the bill.

      Update: I’m surprised no comment on this. Political kerfuffles involving a school board, the municipal election and the Quebec government (not to mention an aspect of the federal election) don’t come along every day.

      Plus, to Legault, if anyone who resists his program of legislation is automatically branded a radical, that’s dangerous. That means to him, he is Quebec. See where that kind of thinking gets you.

       
      • David775 23:12 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

        Coderre must have some bad polling on francophones to make a move like that.

      • Meezly 08:59 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

        Could it be that we’re all tired of yet more BS? I’m no fan of the EMSB but if ‘radical’ means being grounded in reality, then good on them.

      • paul 10:55 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

        To be fair, I think most of the discourse is not around the challenge to Bill 96 (of course anglophones will oppose language policies!), but specifically to the rejection that Quebec is a Nation. Now we are getting into identity politics, which is much more emotional. I can see why there were strong reactions to the EMSB.

        As soon as Harper acknowledged Quebec as a nation, the idea seemed to become factual and fade from a debatable subject. Since then, Quebec has used this statement to strengthen their nationalist policies and exclude many residents from feeling Quebecois.

        I acknowledge that Quebec has a distinct history, culture, language and identity. For me, this is a Nation.
        That being said, nations evolve and have blurry lines; many Quebecois have trouble accepting this.

      • Kevin 15:55 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

        @Paul
        Harper never acknowledged *Quebec* as a nation.
        His government recognized the *Quebecois* as a nation in 2006.

        Bill 96 seeks to change the federal constitution to declare Quebec a nation – which is a very different kettle of fish.

        The Bloc motion earlier this year is also muddled, saying “Quebecers form a nation, that French is the only official language of Quebec and that it is also the common language of the Quebec nation.”

    • Kate 14:55 on 2021-09-07 Permalink | Reply  

      All Quebec healthcare workers must be vaccinated by October 15.

       
      • walkerp 15:24 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

        Should have been mandated 6 months ago, but still very glad to see this in place. How does this compare to other provinces?

      • Kate 15:40 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

        No time to research that now, will see what I can find later.

      • DeWolf 18:39 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

        Based on a quick search… Ontario, BC and Alberta have also announced vaccine mandates for health care workers. Manitoba and New Brunswick require either vaccination or regular testing. PEI, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Saskatchewan have no vaccine requirements.

      • Kate 19:09 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

        DeWolf, you’re a 狼 !

      • DeWolf 18:08 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

        Thanks Kate, that’s why I’ve been graffiti’ing it all over the city 😉

        Seriously though, I was very disappointed to learn that 狼 has quite a negative connotation in Chinese.

      • Kate 19:16 on 2021-09-08 Permalink

        What does it imply?

    • Kate 09:33 on 2021-09-07 Permalink | Reply  

      Construction of a tunnel for the REM is punching more holes in the remaining wetlands of the Technoparc, threatening to drain it permanently.

      Question: could this be being done on purpose, by the REM or some other entity, without any announcement? The wetland is supposed to be drained, and built up with a factory, although environmentalists are resisting the plan with the counter-argument that the area is a refuge for many bird and animal species.

       
      • mare 10:15 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

        Foreshadowing the tunnelling under René-Lévesque. The Hydro building and all the banks are going to be drained dry.

    • Kate 09:27 on 2021-09-07 Permalink | Reply  

      A demonstration against capitalism and in favour of more social justice was held for Labour Day but it looks like the rain kept numbers down. Which isn’t to say that the 30 organizations mentioned don’t have legitimate beefs. The undermining of the right to strike and the weakening of health and safety rules in Bill 59 are issues that should concern any working person.

       
      • Kate 09:07 on 2021-09-07 Permalink | Reply  

        CTV says that an interview in Mexican media with the father of Jeanette Zacarias Zapata, who died here last week following a boxing match, reveals that Zacarias Zapata knew she wasn’t fit to box but intended to undertake the Montreal bout anyway. She had already received head injuries in previous fights.

         
        • Jeff 14:50 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

          Ok, so nobody who profits from this blood sport is culpable in the death of one of its competitiors. Funny how that works.

      • Kate 08:58 on 2021-09-07 Permalink | Reply  

        Some Covid vaccination sites are offering special options for people terrified of needles.

        I have to wonder what happens to these folks if they ever get ill and need repeated blood draws or injections. But hey, anything that gets more people vaccinated. Give them a lollipop.

         
        • jeather 09:19 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

          I’d be sort of irritated if I showed up to a vaccination event and suddenly there was aromatherapy crap everywhere (it’s an aerosol, not staying in one room) because it gives me allergies; probably people who are allergic to dogs feel the same way. It’s a nice idea, but it feels a little poorly thought out. (Not the private room where you can lie down and it’s a bit darker, that seems fine and useful.)

        • Ephraim 11:49 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

          Cough. Yes, cough. Some studies have shown that coughing just as they inject can help alleviate the pain of vaccination. Just tell them to go for it when you cough and look away, so you don’t see it.

        • CE 12:54 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

          I have a tendency to pass out when given a needle, especially when drawing blood. I do not like needles at all and was dreading both vaccination days. I asked to lie down for my first dose in case I passed out and they made such a big hoopla out of it that I was more nervous than I was before. For the second dose, I sucked it up and did it sitting down (it was in a pharmacy so I don’t think I would have even had the option) and thankfully I was fine.

          Regarding what I would do if I had an illness that required repeated injections, I suspect I would eventually get used to it but the thought of such a future does occasionally pop into my mind and I’m not looking forward to it if it happens.

        • Kate 14:45 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

          No tattoos then, CE?

          Ephraim, neither of my Covid vaccinations hurt at all. They were even more nothing than flu shots I’ve experienced. They always stick a little round band-aid on, but when I pulled those off, there wasn’t even the tiniest dot of blood.

        • CE 14:50 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

          Definitely no tattoos.

      • Kate 08:54 on 2021-09-07 Permalink | Reply  

        People who ask why homeless shelters should be downtown take note: since the housing in July of a hundred homeless people in a hotel in east-end Longue-Pointe, the area’s regular residents are not happy and want it shut down. The arrangement is meant to be temporary although this brief piece doesn’t delve into what’s supposed to happen next to the denizens of the Auberge Royal Versailles.

         
        • dhomas 20:49 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

          I live 2 blocks away from there. I was actually pretty surprised at how little I’ve noticed the homeless folks. They all hang out at the back of the Auberge, where I think they get access to the rooms as well. There are no residential areas directly next to them, either. There is a hydro plant to the south of them, the giant Loblaws parking lot to the east, Radisson metro to the north and the rest of the hotel/auberge to the west. They have their bikes and plastic lawn chairs in the back of the Auberge and don’t really bug anyone. There is not a noticeable increase in panhandling, either (there was already some around the metro before the shelter came). One of the petitions I saw showed a picture of a woman squatting to pee on Sherbrooke Street, so I guess that happened at least once.
          IMO, these people complaining are just worried about how this will affect property value. There’s a single-family dwelling nearby that hasn’t been able to sell at the $779k asking price and recently reduced the price to $729k. There were a bunch of houses selling in the area before July, but other than that 779k/729k house, I don’t see anyone putting any for sale signs lately. If all goes to plan, the shelter will be gone by October 30th. It’s less than 2 months away!

        • Kate 22:29 on 2021-09-07 Permalink

          Thank you for the report, dhomas. I think this was squeaky wheel/NIMBY stuff and Radio‑Canada bought into it.

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