Anti-vaxx demo planned at Ste-Justine
Now that Covid vaccinations are being prepared for kids aged 5 to 11, under a plan to be announced Tuesday, a demonstration is planned at Ste‑Justine Thursday against vaccination. François Amalega, recently released from jail under conditions, is continuing his campaign against modern medicine.
jeather 12:02 on 2021-11-23 Permalink
The appointments, not yet officially announced, are absolutely disappearing from Clic Sante. Not sure that finding out because you opened the clicsante website bc your Ontario friend mentioned making an appt, or finding out from twitter, is the best way to do scheduling. (I believe for 5-11 they are scheduling 2x the time as for 12+.)
walkerp 12:37 on 2021-11-23 Permalink
Aren’t those protests now illegal?
Ephraim 12:54 on 2021-11-23 Permalink
Eventually, the number of protesters will die down, their numbers are dwindling. Dying at 10X the rate as the vaccinated population will do that to you. But the number of cases will certainly go down as soon as the kids are vaccinated. It’s the main source of outbreaks at the moment, Take a look at https://twitter.com/vaccintrackerqc/status/1459237307744202752 to see a fantastic representation of how age and vaccination status intersect.
Bert 13:55 on 2021-11-23 Permalink
This week’s CBC medical show – White Coat, Black Art – covers just this point. A saddening listen but well worth it. – https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-75-white-coat-black-art
Kate 15:32 on 2021-11-23 Permalink
Bert, thank you. That’s disturbing (a doctor receiving death threats for immunizing people).
walkerp: I don’t think François Amalega is too concerned about legality. The more he gets repressed by police, the more his followers will think he’s right.
Raymond Lutz 16:19 on 2021-11-23 Permalink
just asking, but doesn’t vaccination only marginally decrease transmission rates? It is primarily useful for decreasing the severity of the disease among adults (which is a good thing) but kids never clogged ERs for covid… Won’t vaccination adverse effects among children outweigh benefits?
Mark Côté 17:29 on 2021-11-23 Permalink
I was wondering that as well. There is a Nature article that says that vaccines do lower transmission rates, but not for long. However, that means that it should really slow down transmission in schools for the winter, at least. And if boosters start to roll out to the general population in the New Year, that’d further curb outbreaks.
This Lancet article was harder for me to understand, but if I’m reading it correctly, vaccines will lower the amount of time that someone is infectious, and it takes longer contact with a vaccinated person to get infected. So in a household where you are together most of the time vaccines probably don’t do much to stop the spread, but in the community and maybe even in schools they would also curb transmission rates.
jeather 18:18 on 2021-11-23 Permalink
It reduces transmission rates, it reduces severity, it reduces long covid (which is going to be something we will see a LOT more of, including from children, in the future — we’ve barely had time for long term effects). The chance of getting very sick from covid is much higher than the chance of any side effect from the vaccine. There is a much higher rate of transmission among elementary schools than secondary this year (compared to last year, when it was comparable). This is just why it’s good for each individual kid to be vaccinated, not the obvious public health reasons re herd immunity, reduction in spread, reduction in variants, etc etc.
H. John 18:39 on 2021-11-23 Permalink
Demonstrations are not illegal per se.
As the name of Bill 105, passed by QC says:
“An Act to establish a perimeter around certain places in order to regulate demonstrations in relation to the COVID-19 pandemic”
The perimeter is 50 metres.
The federal Liberals during the campaign said they would do something; but obviously with Parliament only returning this week, they haven’t introduced any legislation yet.
qatzelok 09:58 on 2021-11-24 Permalink
@Ephraim: “Dying at 10X the rate as the vaccinated population will do that to you”
On the continent of Africa, a very low number of people are vaccinated. Does this mean rapid depopulation is coming there? Your unsourced statistic seems to suggest imminent disaster there.
Should we send in the army?
Max 10:19 on 2021-11-24 Permalink
Life expectancy on the African continent is about 15 years less than that here in North America. How’s that for a depressing disparity? If Covid is wreaking less per-capita havoc over there, it’s likely because poverty and / or some other opportunistic disease will have killed you off long before Covid gets a chance to.
Max 10:40 on 2021-11-24 Permalink
Re: “Dying at 10X the rate as the vaccinated population will do that to you”
I don’t know if that factor applies here what with our first-world health care system, but take a look at recent per-capita mortality rates in Romania and Bulgaria (two of the least vaccinated countries in the EU). They’re like 15-25 times higher than ours! How anyone could look at these data and still be vaccine-hesitant is beyond me.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-europes-least-vaccinated-countries-are-back-in-pandemic-crisis/
thomas 11:33 on 2021-11-24 Permalink
Further to Max’s point the average age in Africa is ~20 years versus ~40 years in North America. Also, obesity is less common. So 2 most common predictors are of COVID mortality are less prevalent.
walkerp 11:59 on 2021-11-24 Permalink
Just common sense says the vaccine is reducing transmission. Cases are way down while social restrictions have been significantly relaxed. Getting the kids vaccinated should bring spread down even more, perhaps to the point of making covid more like the flu (though travel remains a problematic vector).
Kevin 12:36 on 2021-11-25 Permalink
Max
The vaccine hesitant look at the number of people in hospitals and go “Hey, some people in hospital with Covid are vaccinated, therefore vaccines don’t work.”
But they should be looking at the *ratio* of people who are in hospital compared to vaccination status. So over the past 4 weeks that’s 235 out of 2.1 million unvaxxed, compared to 159 out of 6.4 million fully vaxxed.
The hesitant are missing half of the equation but don’t realize it.