Quebec is imposing a curfew between 10 pm and 5 am starting Friday night. Private gatherings are forbidden, restaurant dining rooms are closed, and schools are closed till January 17 at least.
I guess the metro won’t be running all night Friday to Saturday.
dwgs 20:02 on 2021-12-30 Permalink
Does anyone know if schools closed actually means online?
Kate 20:10 on 2021-12-30 Permalink
I listened to the whole presser and this was asked, but not clearly answered. I got the impression different school boards/areas, different levels of school, will be deciding differently. Maybe see what the relevant board says?
Radio-Canada says: “Les écoles resteront fermées au moins jusqu’au 17 janvier dans l’ensemble des régions de la province. Le gouvernement invite les établissements qui le peuvent à poursuivre les apprentissages en ligne avant le retour en présence. … En ce qui concerne les cégeps et les universités, la santé publique n’a pas fixé de date de retour en classe pour le moment.”
Joey 20:38 on 2021-12-30 Permalink
From the CSSDM:
Enseignement à distance à partir de la semaine du 3 janvier
Des services éducatifs à distance seront offerts dès la semaine du 3 janvier et le retour en classe en présentiel est désormais prévu le 17 janvier, selon l’horaire établi au calendrier de chaque école. Un prêt de matériel informatique sera offert aux élèves le nécessitant.
Max 20:39 on 2021-12-30 Permalink
Details are sketchy but the CEEB says the next 3 Sundays are going to be quiet too. Gas stations, deps, grocers, pharmacies and takeout only I suppose.
H. John 20:54 on 2021-12-30 Permalink
https://www.quebec.ca/sante/problemes-de-sante/a-z/coronavirus-2019/mesures-en-vigueur/a-propos-des-mesures-en-vigueur
The available .pdf gives more detail on each issue. English version not posted yet.
John B 20:55 on 2021-12-30 Permalink
And https://www.quebec.ca/sante/problemes-de-sante/a-z/coronavirus-2019/mesures-en-vigueur/entreprises-commerces-et-boutiques has more on businesses closing Sundays.
Tellement laïque.
Max 21:04 on 2021-12-30 Permalink
Thanks, Johns. Looks like the next few Saturdays will be busier than usual at the groceries.
Kevin 21:35 on 2021-12-30 Permalink
Schools had already been told to be online starting next week.
Just impose a vaccine mandate on everything already, and jail the people with fakes documents.
paulg 23:07 on 2021-12-30 Permalink
I’d like to see some restrictions specific to those without vaccines…
-requirement to pay a portion of any health care costs
-limited number of spaces for them in the health care system, in order to keep all previously schedule health services moving forward
Max 23:22 on 2021-12-30 Permalink
I am thoroughly disappointed at the media’s unwillingness to vilify the unvaccinated. The CBC says the 10% that are unvaccinated are imposing 50% of the load on the healthcare system. Were it not for them we probably wouldn’t have to endure this next round of suckage. Why aren’t these people being publicly shat upon?
Pity the poor nurses and doctors obliged to care for these dolts.
How about a new tick box added to next spring’s “Contribution” To The Health Services Fund tax form? Not vaccinated? Pony up an extra $1000, selfish fucktard.
h< John 03:56 on 2021-12-31 Permalink
Max, you’re not the only person who is frustrated by poor choices.
But universal health care doesn’t choose between users who have made good or bad choices.
Drugs or alcohol addicts, people with an eating pattern that increases a chance of diabetes or heart or other disease, shouldn’t they pay more?
We really are a society of preventable diseases; but, should we base on “universal health care” on how many boxes you check off?
I’ve got the feeling I’m going to be pushed out of line by a vegan.
We did the same thing with “no fault” car insurance. We debated at length whether bad (i.e. drunk) actors should be treated differently. Lisette Lapointe, Jacques Parizeau’s wife, crusaded, for very personal reasons, for more than decade to end “no fault” car insurance for drunk drivers. She lost.
Vaccination is only one part of protecting people.
While we’re ranting at anti-vaxers, shouldn’t we be asking Premier Legault why N95 or KN95 or KF94 masks aren’t easily available in Quebec pharmacies where most people would look for them.
Schools still don’t have better ventilation or hepa filters; most health care workers don’t have N95 masks.
We’re at year two, going in to year three.
I think Josée Légault was spot on when she wrote:
“remplacer le directeur de la santé publique du Québec. Depuis le début de la crise, le bilan du Dr Horacio Arruda, plus politique et divertissant que scientifique et indépendant, est décevant. Probabilité : si les Québécois sont chanceux, il sera remplacé par la Dre Mylène Drouin ou la Dre Joanne Liu. “
https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/12/29/2022-pas-trop-sure-de-vouloir-te-rencontrer
GC 09:37 on 2021-12-31 Permalink
I wonder if it’s ever been the case that Arruda made good recommendations and Legault ignored them, anyway. I’m not defending Arruda, because I have no way of knowing, but it’s not an impossible scenario to imagine. All the same, we obviously aren’t getting rid of Legault anytime soon.
GC 09:45 on 2021-12-31 Permalink
Are grocery stores being forced to close on those Sundays? Were they not previously considered “essential”?
jeather 10:55 on 2021-12-31 Permalink
I seem to remember they were closed on Sundays at the beginning for cleaning, because shoving all the grocery shopping into Saturday will surely help.
I also do not agree with charging the unvaccinated more, but I really wish we’d expand the vaccine passport a lot more — even if it’s just to allow stores to require it when they don’t yet, and to allow employers to require it, and to allow people to ask their doctors/hairstylists/whatever to show it.
Kate 10:58 on 2021-12-31 Permalink
They definitely had Sunday grocery closures in April 2020, although I don’t recall when this was rescinded. My local fruiterie, which had previously been open every day, has closed on Sundays ever since, once the owners realized they loved having a day off.
Update: A quick Google reminded me: the Sunday closure was imposed in April 2020 and rescinded the following month.
GC 12:55 on 2021-12-31 Permalink
Oh, I had totally forgotten about that! At the beginning of the Pandemic, I was restricting myself to one visit to the grocery store per week and I usually picked a weekday afternoon… I do remember, at the time, that they also had reduced hours in the evenings and I questioned the wisdom of that because it seemed like it would increase exposure rather than reduce it.
On a side note, how sad that the Pandemic is gone on long enough that I’m forgetting details of past phases :(.
Ephraim 13:58 on 2021-12-31 Permalink
While we can’t really charge for NOT being vaccinated, we could discount for being vaccinated. Increase the personal contributions to healthcare and then rebate for those fully vaccinated by including your medicare number on your form for a discount.
It’s sort of like the MC/Visa cash discount. You can’t charge extra for using a credit card… but you can give a cash discount. So the price is $20, but just $19.40 if you pay by cash 🙂
There are other things that the government can do and should. For example, if the government created software for the doctors to track clients, appointments and vaccination, they could send out scheduling reminds for when you need a physical, that would lower the costs to the system. If you don’t have your vaccinations, it could remind you that your health is at risk and that you will be triaged lower because you don’t have the required vaccinations for priority care…
Also… why are we not vaccinating for shingles yet? It’s expensive to treat and if the government put in a program, they could negotiate the cost of the vaccine down.
vasi 00:34 on 2022-01-01 Permalink
I’m of two minds about making the unvaccinated pay. On the one hand, I do agree with John that we need universal healthcare, not healthcare only for those who’ve made only good choices in life.
On the other hand, we already are choosing to deny some people services! We’ve spent plenty of time this pandemic in déléstage, and soon our hospitals might have to triage care. Once that happens, we’re already making decisions based on patients’ choices–like treating a non-smoker first if they have a higher chance of survival.
So I’d like the government to make that constraint more visible. As long as we can treat everyone, let’s treat everyone. But announce that if hospitals fill up and we have to treat selectively, the unvaccinated-by-choice are last on the list.