Responses to the REM de l’Est continue to be chilly as people clearly refuse to buy the line that it’s all lovely.
In other rail news, the proposed fast rail link from Quebec City to Windsor is choking on the fact that the train will not be able to use the Mount Royal tunnel now that it belongs to CDPQ‑Infra, and they’ll have to find some more circuitous route to bring trains downtown.
[Insert Nelson Muntz “Ha-ha!!” sound here.]
Thomas 17:29 on 2022-03-09 Permalink
That the Mount Royal tunnel would not be available was already known when the HFR project was announced, and continues to be a source of discussion and speculation among local transit enthusiasts. Not really news tbh
Kate 17:54 on 2022-03-09 Permalink
Not news, but it brings it home when a big project like this may fall down over the bad planning. Things may not be news but it can take awhile for implications to filter through – like the incredible stupidity of building the Bell Centre to block Windsor Station from ever being used as a station again.
Robert H 19:47 on 2022-03-09 Permalink
“…the incredible stupidity of building the Bell Centre to block Windsor Station from ever being used as a station again.”
Amen ! J’ai le fantasme de trouver l’argent pour réparer cette incroyable erreur qu’est le Centre Bell. Ce serait un grand projet civique que de surélever l’édifice et de redonner à la gare Windsor sa vocation première.
In other words, raise it…or better yet, just raze it.
Mais vous pouvez dire que je rêve en Technicolor.
Ant6n 09:40 on 2022-03-10 Permalink
@Thomas not true
HFR was worked on since before REM. Back in 2016 when REM was announced it was a big point of contention. VIA had tried to work something out but cdpqinfra didn’t want to play with others. VIA went to the BAPE as well but they were apparently too scared to talk about how REM as planned would make HFR very difficult. I extensively wrote about how sharing would’ve been possible, even included a 100 page memoir to the BAPE.
Blocking Mont Royal tunnel is arguably more stupid than blocking Windsor. Gare Centrale is better connected and better positioned than Windsor and it would be a through station on the Toronto-Quebec city line, which makes it much better.
Daniel D 10:44 on 2022-03-10 Permalink
I can’t recall where I read this (likely on Twitter), but I think there was a proposal to have Montreal’s HSR station in Laval at de la Concorde.
It got me thinking that this is the approach you see on Japan’s Shinkansen a lot. You have the HSR stations in large cities (eg: Yokohama, Osaka, Kobe) which are on the urban outskirts, and connected to the city centre by rapid transit. This makes for faster overall journeys as the line doesn’t have to traverse into town, potentially over non-high speed infrastructure.
On the surface, this seems like a good fit for Montreal with a rapid Metro connection to downtown. And you know, they could also upgrade the Saint-Jérôme line to make it more useful too.
Curious to hear from others why this may or may not be a good compromise in light of VIA Rail’s catastrophic own goal in losing the tunnel.
Kate 11:09 on 2022-03-10 Permalink
Daniel D, it crossed my mind to propose the suburban station idea but just as a provocation. Yes, it would make more sense in one way, but if there’s this huge project putting in this fast train line and the main Montreal station is in Laval, in a way it’s a final concession that the city of Montreal is no longer the main hub of the metropolitan area.
Joey 11:42 on 2022-03-10 Permalink
It would be fitting if Via’s high-speed train to Montreal was neither high-speed nor stopped in Montreal. Concorde –> Bonaventure is 16 stops, far from rapid.
Daniel D 12:18 on 2022-03-10 Permalink
Kate: This is a good point. A lot of people would also want to get to places like the South Shore anyway, so it kind of doesn’t make sense to not have the station in the city centre if you want to serve the region properly.
Joey: I was going to argue that the time to get downtown from Laval is probably going to be equivalent to a standard trip from the airport, but then I realised one of the main appeals of rail over air is simply you get delivered to the heart of the city and don’t have to undertake an additional journey.
Ant6n 12:45 on 2022-03-10 Permalink
Sometimes it can make sense to have a suburban high speed train station if the overall population it serves is small, most people travel through that station, the line speed is fast (and there would be significant delay to directly connect downtown) and the connection to downtown with local transit is quick.
None of these things will be true for HFR in Montreal.
That said, a secondary stop at de la Concorde could’ve made a lot of sense for HFR, it certainly makes much more sense than st lambert.