STM rejects south shore protest ad
A group that wanted to buy a metro ad protesting the $5.25 fare from the South Shore has seen its ad rejected by the STM as “denigrating public transit.”
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Blork 09:33 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
Side note (but related). Last week we ranted here about the confusion around those AB fares and the Opus card, and @nau said that the STM website said you needed a “designated Opus card.” I can confirm this, as I managed to get one at the ARTM billeterie on the weekend. It is literally an Opus card with “Tous modes AB” written on it. Free if you show your other Opus card. (Shouldn’t it be free regardless?) And apparently you can charge up you Tous modes AB” card at a regular machine, where you can buy ride tickets in pairs or in groups of 10 for $45 (so $4.50 a ride).
Spi 10:03 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
I believe it’s been covered but the reason why you need two cards, is because the system has no way of distinguish which fare to deduct from your OPUS card. The system has no way of knowing that you’re heading off island when you get on in Montreal and thus can’t deduct an AB fare instead of an A one if they on the same card. Thus it’s the users responsibility to manage that now.
Mr.Chinaski 11:09 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
What a clusterfuck by the ARTM. It’s a shame we pay all those consultants over 100K and they come up… with this!
Kate 11:51 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
Spi, does that mean I could go to Longueuil with an A ticket, and it would be fine unless a transit cop caught me doing it? (Not that I plan to, but…)
Mr.Chinaski 11:58 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
Yes, they are actually doing checkups at the exit of the subway in Longueuil/Laval to see if you have a A versus AB ticket.
Kate 12:17 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
Good to know about! Thank you.
MarcG 12:56 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
Sounds very efficient and user friendly!
mare 13:28 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
An A ticket should just get you to Longueul/Laval but without the ability to transfer to a bus. Entering the off-island metro, presumably to go to Montreal, should require an AB ticket. So like it was before, and it won’t require extra manual checks.
I’m curious to see if when the REM is added to the network, it will get special turnstiles. This was supposed to be a driverless train, but if they need a lot of ticket inspectors that doesn’t yield a big cost reduction.
Bert 16:07 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
Just require a swipe-in – swipe-out system. I remember a British undercover transit police show and they covered just this. Swipe in and the system reserves the most permissive pass. Swipe out and the correct fare is deducted. Swipe out without the appropriate pass (under-fared) – block the card and require a purchase of the appropriate pass before next use – the purchase is immediately consumed by the system. “Forget” to swipe out – block the card and require a purchase of the appropriate pass before next use and have a big red spinning light and a horn go off on purchase. More that X “forgotten” in a given period and block the card.
Yes, this is susceptible to multiple “burner” card abuse.
Blork 16:40 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
Swipe-in/swipe-out sounds nice, but you’re talking about a complete tear-down and rebuild of the Opus card system and the associated readers and all infrastructure, which would cost tens of millions of dollars to build and would take years to set up. So yeah, but it’s not a question of “just blah blah blah” when blah blah blah carries so much overhead.
steph 16:51 on 2022-07-19 Permalink
@mare. yes the metro will get you there with the wrong fare. You are risking a fine.
I think it’s been statistically proven that strategic deploying ticket inspectors is cheaper. (The key word is ‘strategic’. obviously there’s way they can cost more)