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  • Kate 14:45 on 2022-10-04 Permalink | Reply  

    The New York Times has a feature on two boys from Boston who came to Expo 67 in a pony cart.

    I kept wondering about the poor pony.

    • Bob 08:32 on 2022-10-05 Permalink

      They talk about it in the film. Shetland ponies were bred to haul coal in mines. King, the pony in question lived for another 20 years after the trip. I would imagine he enjoyed it as much as the boys did.

  • Kate 09:48 on 2022-10-04 Permalink | Reply  

    Radio-Canada’s analysis, CBC analyses from Antoni Nerestant and Jonathan Montpetit, Michel C. Auger’s piece on La grande victoire d’un mauvais système as La Presse takes against first‑past‑the‑post, Le Devoir also chiming in on the distortion created by that kind of polling; looking for a silver lining, Le Devoir hails the near gender parity of the results, although we can see with recent elections in Italy and the UK that a woman leader is no guarantee of social justice.

    Contradicting things that he and his deputies said during the campaign, François Legault claims he’s a premier for all Quebecers. But who is a Quebecer?

    • carswell 13:41 on 2022-10-04 Permalink

      If you listen to Legault closely, it’s very clear that “nation” has two definitions: an inclusive one when he’s speaking English, a restrictive one when he’s speaking French..

    • steph 20:23 on 2022-10-04 Permalink

      @ carswell – that’s because the word nation is different in french and english… just like the other n-word. Ugh I just hate political hypocrasy and their tolerance to racism. I hope we come out of this quickly.

    • Kate 09:18 on 2022-10-05 Permalink

      Can you expand on how the meanings differ, steph?

    • carswell 10:06 on 2022-10-05 Permalink

      Was about to ask the same thing, Kate, but wanted to take time to do a little research.

      I’ve been a student of French for more than 50 years, studied linguistics in university, have read works on French vs. English usage (e.g. Stylistique comparée du français et de l’anglais), was an ESL teacher and curriculum developer in an earlier life and, for the last 30 years or so, have earned much of my living as a French-to-English translator, and I’ve never heard or been made aware of any significant difference between English “nation” and French “nation.

      Just compared the definitions in Le Robert and Webster’s New Collegiate. Almost identical.

      Also, not being a particularly strong English speaker and one who uses lots of faux amis, Legualt is unlikely to be aware of any subtle differences between the two terms that escape the likes of me.

    • Ian 12:47 on 2022-10-05 Permalink

      The fact that Legault is frequently referred to in English by French commentators as “Prime Minister” tells us all we need to know about in what sense Legault means “the nation of Quebec”.

      I think some of this comes from the confusion of national identity and national rights, i.e., Canada has treaties with First Nations, Canada recognizes that Quebec is a nation – but within the context of national identity, not sovereignty. While being viewed as a “nation” within Canada does have some legal value, it is not the same as sovereignty.

      Que cette Chambre reconnaisse que les Québécoises et les Québécois forment une nation au sein d’un Canada uni.

      Perhaps related, I got a newsletter from the CSSDM (formerly CSDM) boasting that they had an 80% graduation rate last year, well above the Quebec average. That means that 1 in 5 students did not graduate. If a 20% dropout rate is something to boast about (and is above the average)t, it’s no wonder that so many people in Quebec don’t understand the distinction between being a “nation” within a country, and being a sovereign nation. I don’t imagine for a second that Legault is not taking advantage of this.

    • Kevin 13:51 on 2022-10-05 Permalink

      I look at that the way Harper intended: as a way to recognize French Quebec *people* in much the same way we recognize indigenous people as belonging to the First Nations.

      As for High School — Quebec has the lowest graduation rate of any province, and it’s really dragged down by boys. 3 in 10 males don’t finish high school.

    • Joey 17:03 on 2022-10-05 Permalink

      @Ian those commentators would just as quickly call Doug Ford “prime minister” of Ontario, no?

    • Ian 18:02 on 2022-10-05 Permalink

      Perhaps, but they rarely mention the ROC unless talking about Quebec-bashing.
      Let’s also not forget St-Jean getting rebranded at “Fête nationale”, Queen Vicky’s birthday as “Jour des patriotes” and the Provincial Assembly being known as the “Assemblée nationale du Québec” …

      … you can forgive some undereducated types for not realizing that Quebec is not already a Nation in the fullest sense. Legault certainly isn’t spending much time on that distinction, it’s full steam ahead with restricting immigration, suppressing certain kinds of hats and scarves, worrying about what language people speak at home, etc.

      After all the “80% of immigrants move to Montreal, never learn French, and don’t have jobs” guy got re-elected, let alone all the stuff Legault said. It’s a pretty clear signal from the “Nation” that Franky can do whatever he wants (except get votes in his hometown).

  • Kate 09:25 on 2022-10-04 Permalink | Reply  

    There are 27 provincial ridings on the island of Montreal. Sixteen are now represented by the Liberal Party of Quebec, eight by Québec solidaire, two by the CAQ, and one by the Parti Québécois.

    Acadie: North-end Acadie elected Liberal André A. Morin after their previous PLQ MNA Christine St‑Pierre declined to run again.

    Anjou–Louis-Riel: North-end Anjou–Louis-Riel elected the CAQ’s Karine Boivin Roy. Previously they had been PLQ for a long time with Lise Thériault, but she declined to run again.

    Bourassa-Sauvé: North-end Bourassa-Sauvé has been Liberal since its creation in 2003. Paule Robitaille was MNA till 2022, when the riding was won by the PLQ’s Madwa‑Nika Cadet.

    Camille-Laurin: Flipped from CAQ to PQ, electing Paul St‑Pierre Plamondon.

    D’Arcy-McGee: Elected the PLQ’s Elizabeth Prass. The first runner‑up was the Quebec Conservative candidate.

    Gouin: Gouin resoundingly re‑elected QS’s Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois.

    Hochelaga-Maisonneuve resoundingly re‑elected QS’s Alexandre Leduc.

    Jacques-Cartier: West Island riding Jacques-Cartier resoundingly re‑elected the PLQ’s Greg Kelley.

    Jeanne-Mance–Viger: Same boundaries as Saint-Léonard. Resoundingly re‑elected the PLQ’s Filomena Rotiroti.

    LaFontaine: East-end Lafontaine coincides largely with RDP. It resoundingly re‑elected the PLQ’s Marc Tanguay.

    Laurier-Dorion: Resoundingly re‑elected QS’s Andres Fontecilla.

    Marguerite-Bourgeoys: Essentially Lasalle and has been Liberal since its creation in 1966, most recently under Hélène David. Elected first‑timer Fred Beauchemin of the PLQ.

    Marquette: Where Lasalle blends into Lachine and staunchly Liberal. Re‑elected Enrico Ciccone.

    Maurice-Richard: Includes parts of Ahuntsic and Montreal North. Been swatted back and forth between the Liberals and the PQ. In 2018 it was won by Liberal Marie Montpetit in a tight squeeze past the Québec solidaire candidate. Montpetit was expelled from the Liberal caucus in November 2021 following accusations of workplace harassment. In May 2022, Montpetit said she would not be running again. This time, taken by QS’s Haroun Bouazzi.

    Mercier: Part of the Plateau, it was held at various points by PQ notables Gérald Godin and Daniel Turp, but it’s been QS since 2008, first under Amir Khadir and, since 2018, Ruba Ghazal. She was resoundingly re‑elected.

    Mont-Royal–Outremont: Michelle Setlakwe won this for the PLQ, after Pierre Arcand chose not to run again.

    Nelligan: West Island riding re‑elected the PLQ’s Monsef Derraji.

    Notre-Dame-de-Grâce: Covers Montreal West and most of NDG. Elected the PLQ’s Désirée McGraw after Kathleen Weil bowed out.

    Pointe-aux-Trembles: This far eastern riding was PQ solid from 1989 to 2018, when it elected the CAQ’s Chantal Rouleau. She’s back. The PQ came second here.

    Robert-Baldwin: West Island riding has been Liberal since time out of mind, elected Carlos Leitão in 2014. Leitão stayed on in opposition in 2018, but bowed out. The riding elected the PLQ’s Brigitte Garceau this time.

    Rosemont: Elected onetime La Presse journalist Vincent Marissal, QS, in 2018 and again in 2022. This was once Louise Beaudoin’s stomping ground and then J-F Lisée’s. CAQ came second here – not close, but enough that QS should look at the result (37.6% to Marissal vs. 23.1% to CAQ’s Sandra O’Connor).

    Saint-Henri–Sainte-Anne: Basically Le Sud-Ouest. Liberal since its creation in 1994, it elected Dominique Anglade in a 2015 byelection and brought her back in 2018. She is back in 2022 as party leader. QS wasn’t quite nipping at her heels, but it wasn’t a resounding win (36.2% to 27.7%).

    Saint-Laurent: Liberal red since its creation in 1966, and represented by Robert Bourassa and Jean-Marc Fournier among others. Marwah Rizqy won the 2018 election here and has been resoundingly re‑elected in 2022.

    Sainte-Marie–Saint-Jacques: True blue PQ from its creation in 1989, it went QS in 2014 for Manon Massé and re-elected her in 2018 and 2022.

    Verdun: Solid PLQ red from its creation in 1966, it elected Isabelle Melançon in a byelection in 2016 and re-elected her in 2018. But in 2022, QS’s Alejandra Zaga Mendez squeezed past Melançon, 30.8% to 29.3%.

    Viau: Central-east Viau has been Liberal since 1981. They’ve re‑elected Frantz Benjamin, with QS coming second.

    Westmount–Saint-Louis: Inevitably, Liberal red from its creation in 1994, this riding was represented by Jacques Chagnon till 2018 when they elected Jennifer Maccarone. She’s been re‑elected in 2022.

    • denpanosekai 11:21 on 2022-10-04 Permalink

      Is Verdun’s situation “rare”? Liberals won despite fewer votes?

    • denpanosekai 11:25 on 2022-10-04 Permalink

      Sorry can you erase my previous comment and this one. La Presse was showing a liberal win in Verdun in their article this morning…

      and now a new article says that the Liberals “refusent d’accorder la victoire”


    • Ephraim 11:40 on 2022-10-04 Permalink

      I can’t help myself, that pun must come out…

      That’s “a feather in her the cap” for Westmount-Saint-Louis to re-elect Maccarone

    • Kate 12:59 on 2022-10-04 Permalink

      denpanosekai, Verdun is the only Montreal riding to have come so close:
      QS – Alejandra Zaga Mendez – 9,562 votes – 30.8%
      PLQ – Isabelle Melançon – 9,101 votes – 29.3%

      Ephraim: groan.

    • dhomas 14:54 on 2022-10-04 Permalink

      I was closely watching my riding of Anjou-Louis-Riel. Around midnight, it was trending for the PLQ with 118 of 121 ballot boxes counted. I woke up this morning to find it had gone to the CAQ, with 133 ballot boxes counted. It was late and I had no reason to take a screenshot, so I may be mistaken about the box count. But does it sometimes happen to add ballot boxes to the count? Maybe the anticipated votes were in those extra boxes?

      I picture the demography of this riding to be mostly immigrants (though I could be wrong). I don’t see why they would vote CAQ, especially after the comments they made about immigrants last week and how they’ve been shitting on Montreal throughout this election (and even prior). The polls were still in favour of the CAQ on the 2nd, but a trend reversal could be seen after the “80%” comment last week and I thought that momentum might have carried through to the election. A bit of a head scratcher for me, all around.

    • Kate 17:28 on 2022-10-04 Permalink

      dhomas: The numbers given by the Journal de Montréal are:
      CAQ – Karine Boivin Roy – 9,375 votes – 35.5%
      PLQ – Chantal Gagnon – 8,044 votes – 30.5%

      Close, but not a squeaker like Verdun, and probably no reason to recount.

      Too bad. My condolences!

      Maybe a little more money will be spent on your riding, at least?

    • dhomas 17:43 on 2022-10-04 Permalink

      It’s not even close today, but last night the PLQ was ahead by so much that some new outlets had declared it a win for them. CityNew, for example, still hasn’t updated their page with the CAQ’s victory:
      Anyway, nothing to be done now. I don’t even think it’s worth a recount, given the current count.

    • Kate 20:21 on 2022-10-04 Permalink

      Liberals have decided not to ask for a recount in Verdun, either.

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