A good piece has been posted Sunday on Radio‑Canada by Jeff Yates analyzing the notorious Hatfield manifesto as based on hatred of women, and how misogyny becomes the driver of violence.
What Yates describes was an attitude that was beginning to manifest in corners of the internet years ago. I remember debating with an incipient angry incel on Usenet, who took the same position Hatfield takes: women can pick and choose, and men are at their mercy.
Go out on a summer day and look at family groups and couples. Plenty of men who aren’t Herculean “alpha males” have been able to attract a female partner, and in many cases procreate with her – it’s a simple fact. This observation wouldn’t make any impression on the Hatfields of this world, though – and this is something most male analysts don’t see – because of what an incel means by women.
They do not mean average women. In their mind, the women in their argument are fantasy constructs – actresses, models, porn performers, women born beautiful and whose looks are heightened with surgery, cosmetic skill and Photoshop. Yes, women of exceptional looks can take their pick of men. But these are the only women an incel actually desires. He doesn’t even see the rest of us – he isn’t conscious he’s excluding the vast majority of women. He’s just angry that he, an average‑looking non‑wealthy man, wouldn’t have a chance with a gorgeous six‑foot Amazon with amazing tits. It’s so unfair!
I don’t know where this gets us, but it’s an angle I don’t see acknowledged much.
RE 12:05 on 2026-06-28 Permalink
Well said, Kate. As a woman, I appreciate the way you articulated this.
steph 16:57 on 2026-06-28 Permalink
Despite the 4chan greentexts that highlight what Yates describe, there’s a decent voice in those places that tells these same lost boys to go “touch grass, hit the gym, get a hobby, go talk to people – it’s not that bad.” Just this week I saw the insult “hobbyless behavior” being thrown around; I hope it gets more traction.
but for now, keep choosing the bear. I don’t care how angry it makes certain boys.
anton 16:59 on 2026-06-28 Permalink
This thing is the tip of an odd misogynistic movement. Fuck these guys. The thing is though, this social-media gender war is being fed to a lot more people than most of us may expect, kind of manifesting in many different ways and attitudes, in many different people. It’s seemingly all kind of designed to poison actual relationships, with some sort of algorithm-based grievance-capture machine, all to keep people angry, lonely and engaged.
azrhey 09:54 on 2026-06-29 Permalink
Thing is, these boys (I refuse to call them men, regardless of their age) demand women (and yes, Kate is totally right, they only regard the absolute 10 out of 10 as interesting) prostrate at their feet simply because they are male. Their gender, or whatever is in their pants is the only thing they bring to the table. As a woman in my early 20s in the late 90s early 00s, who is also a gamer and computer geek, I saw it all the time. The claim that women only want 6’ tall men, and I was like, well if height is the only thing I can judge, sure I will prefer the 6’ tall man over the 5’5 , but can you put something else on the table? Are you funny? Are you kind? Do you play the guitar? Can you order pizza in Quenya? Heck, do you clean your nails before going on a date? What are you selling besides body parts?
So these boys are lonely and enraged, because they believe gorgeous women should be available to them, and they don’t bring anything else to the table, and they don’t care about anything else than physical traits. Is she funny, is she kind? Is she smart? They don’t care…
It is sadness all around.
qatzelok 20:52 on 2026-06-30 Permalink
@Kate: “He’s just angry that he, an average‑looking non‑wealthy man, wouldn’t have a chance with a gorgeous six‑foot Amazon with amazing tits. It’s so unfair!”
Do we have any data on just how many people **ordinary guys who can’t find tall chicks with big tits** kill every year?
Is there a link that can be scientifically proven?