ARTM proposes an east-end tram for $10B
The ARTM has a project proposal for an east‑end tram or similar light rail, costing $10 billion.
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Anton 04:09 on 2024-02-10 Permalink
500 Mio per km for street running tram? That’s expensive for an underground metro. It would be not cheap for a tram if it was 50 Mio per km.
Is this a fucking joke?
Kate 10:28 on 2024-02-10 Permalink
No, it isn’t. And one of the big selling points is that it’s cheaper than an underground metro.
mare 12:09 on 2024-02-10 Permalink
Sherbrooke is a very wide ‘highway’ for much of the stretch. Making it a bit narrower might even force cars to obey the speed limit. Plenty of room for a non-grade separated tram. (I haven’t studied the proposed plans, if there are details available.)
But the price. WTF?
Maybe this will include fixing all the water, cabling, sewer, road beds etc for the actual street and all the streets around it. And building a huge maintenance workshop, or track to the current maintenance workshop. And sourcing it locally from a firm that has to buy all knowledge/technology needed elsewhere because there’s no local expertises. So even the lowest (and winning bid) will be high.
Anton 12:14 on 2024-02-10 Permalink
Right, so after proposing effectively the most expensive underground rapid transit system ever (in the suburbs), they’re proposing the most expensive surface tram, this time by a very wide margin, ever, globally.
What’s the play? The aim of these proposals can’t possibly be about actually getting something built. Is it about proving to the city the futility of wishing for improving transit? Or trying to build a consensus around highway expansions? The lulz? What’s the 3d chess here?
mare 12:18 on 2024-02-10 Permalink
Having a bit of overlap with the Metro on the east-west stretch is a nice touch though. It eliminates the need to built one huge transfer station for the Metro. People can decide which station they use to transfer and the load might spread out a bit. Or they will all use the first station in order to get a seat.
PO 01:54 on 2024-02-11 Permalink
36 billion to build it underground.
Nothing makes sense anymore.
Faiz Imam 21:58 on 2024-02-11 Permalink
Transit advocate Reese Martin had a fantastic article last week called “Quebec cant build public transit”
Its excellent read and probably deserves its own post:
https://reecemartin.ca/2024/02/09/quebec-cant-build-mass-transit/
Anton 12:58 on 2024-02-12 Permalink
„Excellent“ nope