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  • Kate 19:06 on 2024-08-11 Permalink | Reply  

    As happens every year following the big tennis tournament, there’s talk of putting an expensive roof on the existing stadium.

    Somehow, the phrase “stadium roof” has a certain ring to it.

    Update Monday: That was fast. Le toit va attendre.

    Twice Sunday, out walking around, I spotted confused couples on Jarry looking at their phones and arguing. Both times I stopped and asked them if they were looking for something and the response was “Stade Jarry”; one of the pairs had made it from the metro most of the way east to St‑Hubert without realizing they were walking directly away from their destination. I suspect the event needs to put more emphasis on going there via de Castelnau, not Jarry station.

     
    • Nicholas 19:14 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      If you’re going to switch to the Blue Line anyway, Park is slightly closer (even closer if you take the train). And Jean-Talon is a similar distance as Jarry. I assume people just see the word Jarry on the stadium and then go to Jarry station?

    • Kate 19:32 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      Park station is closer on the map, but it’s a longer walk around via the underpass, and confusing for people who don’t know the local geography. Whereas with de Castelnau, you just exit, walk past 7400, and you’re in the park.

      And yes, they simply assumed Jarry would be closest to Stade Jarry.

      I’ve also helped out people who exit from Jean‑Talon station and emerge not having the faintest clue where Jean‑Talon market is, but someone could be there doing that all day.

      Thankfully the tennis will be over and we’ll get our park back soon.

    • DeWolf 19:38 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      There’s now a level crossing on de Castelnau, it’s a pretty straight shot from the metro to the stadium, with an opportunity to grab an espresso at the Café Saint-Henri roastery along the way…

    • Kate 19:46 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      Evidently I don’t know the local geography!

      I must say, the Café Saint-Henri folks have picked some nice locations.

    • MarcG 08:27 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      Similar problem with LaSalle metro being in Verdun (while I’m at it, the Lachine rapids being in LaSalle?). The city would make a lot of happy tourists by stationing 2 (multilingual) teenagers outside of every metro station to help em get where they’re going. Perhaps they could even wear clown suits.

    • Kate 08:38 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      I’ve been on the 55 (St‑Laurent) bus and encountered someone who expected it would take them to (Ville) St‑Laurent. I also recall somebody who had confused Ste‑Catherine with Côte Ste‑Catherine.

    • Uatu 10:30 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      Wayfinding in this city sucks

    • Mr.Chinaski 10:39 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      @MarcG to make things even worse, the biggest park in Lachine is called Parc… LaSalle!

    • mare 10:56 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      The worst mistake I ever made was *cycling* to 7272, Sherbrooke Street, when I still was a tourist visiting Montreal for a few weeks.

      That was when I learned about Montreal’s weird East/West split. It was an excellent way to *never* make that error again.

      The distinction between O and E on a paper map covering the whole island wasn’t very clear, and I didn’t know there even was one. That I picked the longest street in Montreal was purely accidental. I thought I was going on an adventure, house numbers that high were totally new for me. And an adventure it was, I ended up about 20km too far to the East. According to Google Maps now, an application that really changed how we get around. But apparently tourists still manage to get lost, probably because they don’t have a $$$ Canadian data plan.

    • Kate 11:27 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      mare, talking to the couples yesterday, I’m pretty sure they were local (I spoke French with them and none of them were from France) and that it was a case of one of them assuring the other that of course I know where Stade Jarry is, I used to go to baseball games there when I was a kid. And then getting outside Jarry station and realizing they didn’t have a clue any more.

    • JP 14:57 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      A date and I once agreed to meet at Atwater…he probably specified Atwater Metro but my tired-after-work brain went to the Atwater Market instead…and then while I waited for him at Lionel-Groulx station once we realized our miscommunication the JFL gag people actually managed to fool me with one of their shenanigans (I did not sign the release form though).

    • Blork 16:17 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      Let’s not forget the “McGill vs. McGill-College” never-ending confusion.

    • SMD 06:30 on 2024-08-13 Permalink

      The tournament director would also like to build a third main court: https://lp.ca/qg00Ii. Apparently the tournament will have to expand soon to meet ATP standards, with more players, more days, and more training courts as well.

    • Ian 15:00 on 2024-08-13 Permalink

      I had a friend visit once and be totally lost coming to my apartment on DuCollege in st Henri – of course he went to DuCollege metro.

  • Kate 18:30 on 2024-08-11 Permalink | Reply  

    A pro-Palestinian demonstration invaded the Pride parade Sunday afternoon, but the parade went around them and continued.

     
  • Kate 11:33 on 2024-08-11 Permalink | Reply  

    Two men were arrested and tear gas deployed during a gay rights protest in the Village Saturday night. Some windows were smashed.*

    Someone on reddit alleged that pro‑Palestine supporters were present but that isn’t mentioned in these reports. La Presse says it was “anticapitaliste, anticoloniale et antifasciste” in nature.

    The Pride parade will start Sunday at 1 pm.

    *La Presse’s headline says “manifestation pour les droits LGBTQ2+” but, at the risk of starting a scrum, what rights remain for LGBTQ2+ people to demand?

     
    • AMF 13:53 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      There’s video on Protest Montreal twitter and instagram. The people leading the protest are covering their faces with red keffiyehs and have a huge red triangle in the centre of their banner. The sign reads anticapitaliste, antizionist anticolonialiste.” La Presse left the second word out.

    • Chris 13:58 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      Back in the day, it was always rightwingers protesting against ‘the gays’. Now it’s leftwingers. Go figure.

    • Kate 14:01 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      Which leftwingers are protesting against ‘the gays’, Chris?

    • MarcG 14:51 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      La Presse was quoting the Facebook event text and did so accurately. The event was organized by a radical queer group and their promo blurb starts with “Queers of conscience, join us in this evening demonstration: a pride without capitalists, without the military and without complicity with the police”.

    • Chris 14:58 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      Kate, do you think anticapitaliste, antizionist anticolonialiste, antipolice types are rightwingers?

    • Kate 15:36 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      No, but I don’t see how they can be tagged as “protesting against ‘the gays’ .”

    • Chris 16:04 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      They picked the Gay Village and pride week for their protest/riot. Is that supposed to be interpreted as support? I guess we don’t have all the details yet but the vibe is very much like similar protests recently that have shut down pride parades, like:

      https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/pro-palestinian-protesters-say-toronto-pride-parade-stopped-over-refusal-to-meet-demands-1.6948119

    • mare 16:28 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      They protested are also against Fierté itself, which is an a very corporate and commercial affair, heavily sponsored by pink washing companies. That is great for part of the queer community, who are rich and a great potential market for companies, but other groups in the QUILTBAG are traditionally poor and still heavily discriminated against. Pride is celebrating, but there are still so many things to fight for (and against). And with the increasing right wing rhetoric, in the US, Europe but also in Canada, some 2SPLGTBQT+ people are scared as shit, and have not much reason to celebrate.

    • Chris 18:03 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      And sure enough: they have disrupted the parade:

      https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7291646

    • MarcG 18:33 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      Why can’t those lefty queers just fall in line and enjoy the party? We need more disruption of this so-called normal.

    • Chris 20:01 on 2024-08-11 Permalink

      I’ve not said they should or shouldn’t do what they’re doing. My point was only: If you had to fill in the blank today vs a couple of decades ago:

      “Pride parade disrupted by far-____wing protesters”

      Can you honestly say the answer hasn’t flipped? I find it fascinating.

    • anton 05:02 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      @Chris:
      “Pride parade disrupted by far-__(left)__wing protesters” is very, very different from “(left)wingers protesting against ‘the gays’.” It’s so far off, that I would label this as far-right-wing trolling, with a bait and switch.

      @mare
      QUILTBAG, 2SPLGTBQT+
      wot? o.O

      @Kate
      You can protest for your rights even if you have them, on paper, either if you worry about a future erosion due to right-wingers, or because it is worried the rights are not being sufficiently upheld in practice.

    • Kate 08:19 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      Chris, I don’t think protesters disrupted the parade because it was by and for gay (etc) pride, I think they showed up because their cause is of such pressing concern to them that they crashed the party, so to speak, to plead their cause to the gathered crowd.

    • Ian 08:28 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      I wouldn’t go so far as to label what Chris posted as far right trolling, just another instance of false equivalencies and a complete lack of nuance.

      Quiltbag (all caps or no) is an inclusive generic for minority sexual and gender identities. As opposed to the clearly defined stripes of the flag. Two-Spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, plus (for inclusivity).
      LGBTQ2S+ is another common version.

      What’s going on south of the border is a pretty strong reminder for everyone that gender and sexuality rights can be revoked in the blink of an eye. The transvestigating rampant in the Olympics is another good example of why people are nervous. The rise of mainstreaming TERF talking points both in N. America and Europe has shifted the Overton Window to the point that they are considered “an opposing viewpoint” instead of the radicalised hatemongering they actually represent. QAnon’s relationship with groups like the Freedom Convoy and their network are also of real concern.

    • Ian 08:30 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      Yes and no. As the slogan goes, “Pride is a protest”. Pride is inherently political and always has been, we used to get beaten up by the cops just for existing, after all. See also: why cops aren’t welcome at Pride.

    • MarcG 08:32 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      Also specifically because Fierté Montréal has a sponsorship association with TD bank and they have investments in weapons manufacturing companies.

    • su 09:55 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      Ian,
      What are the TERF “talking points”?

    • Ian 10:09 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      Via WIkipedia’s entry under “gender-critical feminism”:

      “T.J. Billiard in article on “TERF strategies” has stated that “misinformation—or, more specifically, disinformation—about trans topics has become the defining feature of public discourse on transgender rights”.[13] Cilia Williams et al. noted in an article on gender critical feminist discourse in Spain that “anti-trans narratives online […] use attacks, misinformation, and self-defence as a communication strategy, rather than debate or dialogue”.[14] Alyosxa Tudor has written that “strategic disinformation as [an] accelerator” has been used to push forward “hateful and anti-democratic agendas”.[15]”

      You can read more about the tactics used in the Wikipedia entry. I’m not going to platform TERFs.

    • su 10:20 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      “self-defence as a communication strategy”
      Trans Exclusive Radical Feminists are using self defense? Interesting.

    • MarcG 10:41 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      I’ll take this oppourtunity to share this fascinating video from Leadership Lab, who I just found out about via the book How Minds Change: The Surprising Science of Belief, Opinion, and Persuasion by David McRaney.

    • mare 11:12 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      @anton
      QUILTBAG is a term my ex (B) and I (T) use, I think it’s used in certain lesbian circles. It’s easy to pronounce and convenient, because every current and future identity can find a place in the bag.

      I fudged some letters in 2SLGBTQIA+ , the acronym McGill uses to show they are super inclusive and on Native land.

    • Kate 11:29 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      I’d rather we didn’t get into trans politics on the blog. The topic is a protest in this city. Trans debates are for other platforms.

    • Ian 13:26 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      Well, you did ask “what rights remain for LGBTQ2+ people to demand?”. It’s not so much demanding new rights as protecting existing ones – and Trans is, after all, the T in 2SLGBTQIA+ / LGBTQ2S+ .

      As far as the acronym goes, there are some variations region to region reflecting local focus, so fair enough on McGill.

    • Kate 14:00 on 2024-08-12 Permalink

      Fair enough. But I meant strictly political rights, here in Canada, right now.

  • Kate 08:39 on 2024-08-11 Permalink | Reply  

    Montreal North is hiring a marketing firm to improve its image.

     
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