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  • Kate 12:05 on 2022-01-23 Permalink | Reply  

    François Cardinal has a hot potato question: Is Kent Hughes québécois? He digs into how the question has been asked (or avoided) since Hughes – born in Beaconsfield – was hired as Canadiens GM, and how his own editorial board edges around the wider issue. Why is Leonard Cohen always a “poète montréalais”? Do most of us understand “québécois” to mean a person of mostly French ancestry and expression?

    Cardinal also pins Lise Ravary down for accusing the Habs of hiring an anglophone, and of wishing they had chosen someone with a French name, even though Hughes was born here and speaks French. But that’s not enough.

    It’s a good question and has no simple answer. I don’t think I would be described as québécoise, for example. Not only was I born here, I have four great-grandparents buried on the mountain. But I grew up in an anglo household, so there it is. It’s not enough.

    Are you québécois? Why or why not?

    I find myself curious: if you know people who’ve come here more recently from France, do their kids think they’re québécois?

    Update to add: Urbania has a piece on anglos who don’t speak French, or as it delicately puts it, une petite tournée chez les « têtes carrées ».

     
    • Nick D 12:15 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      I think about this with respect to my kids. I was born and grew up mostly in Calgary, and my partner grew up in Halifax. Both our kids (9 and 7) were born here and I wonder how they will identify as they get older. Maybe not as “Québécois” but as “Quebecers” or “Montrealers” ? Unless we leave, which the CAQ is (and this is likely the point) getting me to seriously consider in a way I have not before.

    • steph 12:17 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Montrealers are NOT québécois. It’s time we seperate from this province. The natural final outcome of the Monteal people’s collective adventure and development is the achievement of political independence, which is only possible if Montreal becomes a sovereign state and if its inhabitants not only govern themselves through independent democratic political institutions, but are also free to establish external relations and make plans without the provincial government of Quebec being involved.

      please just copy/paste any seperate idealogy, but find/replace all Quebec to Montreal. and all Canada to Quebec. the hypocracy is baffling.

    • Kevin 12:23 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Last year in La Presse I read a profile of a person where they were described as someone who may have had a Quebecois name but they were actually an anglophone who spoke good French.

    • Kate 12:39 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      The daughter of a friend was born here. She went to school in French from day one and spoke French fluently, but has an anglo name. Came home one day crying because classmates had told her she wasn’t québécoise. (Her mom was born in England, her father in the Maritimes.) Not making this up, just adding a data point.

    • Chris 13:05 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      If you’re a white person born in China, speak only that language, know only that culture, are you Chinese?

    • Kate 13:10 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Yes, Chris, it’s complex. What about the Mitch McConnell thing last week, where he clearly didn’t consider African‑Americans “Americans”?

    • Chris 13:23 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Yes, Kate, it’s complex. We primates like dividing ourselves into groups, and we don’t do it super scientifically. The concepts of “any person born in Quebec” vs “person of the dominant culture/ethnicity in Quebec” are fighting for the same word, but they are two different (but overlapping) concepts. If we were robots, we could just call one group836463 and the other group726283, but our language doesn’t work that way.

      As much I dislike that turtle-man, I think it’s a stretch that he didn’t mean it with “overall” implied. Especially since he’s correct that the voting rates of blacks are the same as people with less melanin.

    • Kate 14:24 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      McConnell’s technical correctness about voting rates is beside the point. His wording revealed his belief about who is really a full, non-hyphenated American.

    • dhomas 15:08 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      I am born in Quebec, to immigrant parents. I went to French grade school, French immersion high school, and English post-secondary school. I speak French like a “québécois de souche”. My written French is better than most Québécois. In the past, people have thought I was Québécois. Until they hear my (Italian) last name. Then, I’m part of the “vous autres”. “Vous autres, les Italiens, vous vous mariez. Vous autres, les immigrants, vous travaillez fort, mais vous prenez les jobs au québécois. Vous autres, les anglophones, vous détruisez le Québec.”
      I don’t identify as Québécois because Québécois don’t identify with me.

    • Poutine Pundit 15:28 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      “Est Québecois qui veut l’être,” said Jacques Parizeau. I disagree with many things he said, and who knows if he really believed it, but the statement strikes me as correct.

      It’s up to you to define yourself, not let yourself be defined by others. I don’t correspond to a purist’s definition of Quebecois, but screw the purists–we shouldn’t let them define who we are or exclude us from building the pluralist and inclusive Quebec we want.

    • Chris 15:54 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Kate, I’m not so sure it does. Everyone is a hyphenated American, including White-Americans. They have a wikipedia article even. If one wants to refer to a subgroup, one uses a hypenated form. When one refers to “Americans” without any hyphen, then one is generally referring to all of them. It could be he meant it in a exclusionary way, but it’s very possible he didn’t. But hey, the slightest piece of wording these days will get blown into some kind of smoking gun proof of a partisan’s worldview and looped ad nauseum on cable news, that’s how it is now. No doubt MSNBC is playing the clip constantly today.

    • Uatu 16:03 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Well everyone can ponder this important question while they’re in the hospital waiting for the one real de souche Dr./nurse/ PAB to finally attend to them because any new immigrants are immediately discouraged by all this bullshit and just bypass QC for the ROC.

    • Blork 16:37 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      McConnell’s gaff is a classic Freudian slip. I have little doubt that he mean to say “white Americans” but the fact that he didn’t shows that deep down he likely thinks of “Americans” as being white, and all non-white Americans as being hyphenated (or to put it another way, “qualified”) Americans.

    • John B 17:09 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      I moved here by choice, but this kind of thing is super discouraging. It makes me feel like I’ll never really be accepted in Quebec, so why bother trying? The same columnists complain that “les immigrants” don’t speak French well enough. Well, knowing that we’ll never be truly accepted sure is demotivating.

      I grew up in BC, where Ujjal Dosanjh was the premier when I was university age. Could that ever happen here? Until it can, Quebec has a problem. If I wanted to get into politics I would be limited by my anglo name and “born outside of Quebec” status.

      Parizeau’s “Est Québecois qui veut l’être” should be the answer, (well, that plus living in Quebec for long enough to legally vote), but it’s not the case. While pundits in Quebec fight over if a guy born here is Quebecois, places like Calgary are electing mayors like Naheed Nenshi and Jyoti Gondek because they care where you make your home, not where your ancestors are from.

    • steph 17:32 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      We all have that friend who’s ‘too english to be a francophone’ and ‘too french to be a’n anglophone’. It’s a futile persuit – unless we can simply realize it’s just a common bilingual Montrealer’ thing…

    • Ian 18:53 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      I came here on purpose over 30 years ago, but my girls were born here, went to French garderies, French schools, and have passably French names. Nonetheless, we wouldn’t be considered “From” here in a way that, say, someone who moves from Sauguenay to Montreal can still call themselves “from” here.

      “…when thousands of flag-waving nationalists march through the street roaring ‘Le Québec Aux Québécois’ they do not have in mind anybody named Ginsburg. Or MacGregor, come to think of it”

      Mordecai Richler, 1992

      Even progressive Quebec nationalists know in their hearts it’s not about geography or even language but about ethnicity.

      “…Quebec’s ostensibly pro-diversity Québec solidaire, which has some progressive anglophone support, shrugged off questions last week on dwindling rural anglophone populations. Regurgitating a version of the classic “best treated minority in the world” line cherished for decades among old school nationalists downplaying anglophone angst, QS spokesperson Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois said linguistic minorities generally receive exceptional treatment. And, apropos of nothing, that he is for strengthening the French language in Montreal.”
      https://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/dan-delmar-memo-to-anglo-progressives-even-friendly-nationalism-excludes

      The thing here is that we all know that the French-speaking Québecois are also a minority in Canada, even more of a minority than anglophones in Quebec especially considering how they have cut themselves off from all the other historically francophone regions of Canada like Manitoba, New Brunswick or Northern Ontario, and one could conceivably argue that the French Québecois might even be the actual best treated minority in the world – but of course that would be considered offensive because in multicultural societies how well minorities are treated isn’t a race to the bottom.

      As long as Quebec’s culture is based on suppressing multiculturalism based on historically situated trauma Olympics, we’re never going to be able to wrap our heads around the fact that two European empires colonized Canada and the more dominant one was at the time English but now has really nothing to do with British culture any more than the mythology of Francophone Quebec has much to do with what France is like now. I think the thing that probably bothers Quebec nationailsts more than anything is the sneaking suspicion that they in fact have more in common with Canadian anglophones than they do with any French speaking countries in the world let alone Francophones in the ROC.

    • dhomas 19:23 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Re: “Est Québecois qui veut l’être,” j’ai vraiment essayé de l’être. Mais ça vient avec des bémols. Le “veut” dans cette phrase est vraiment conditionnel. Si tu veux être Québécois, tu ne peux être QUE Québécois. Il faut complètement oublier toute autre culture. Je ne peux pas être à la fois Québécois ET Italien. C’est tout ou rien.
      Et quand je dis à quelqu’un qui me demande “tu viens d’où?” et que je réponds “je suis Québécois, né au Québec”, la question suivante est toujours “oui, mais de où, originalement?”. Même si je veux être Québécois, je ne serai jamais Québécois, d’après les “vrais” Québécois. I’ve made my peace with it. Je suis montréalais bilinguophone.

    • Kevin 20:04 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      The hypothetical posed by Chris is, in reality, one of many problems in China.
      There are 55 official ethnic groups in China, and the government is currently commiting genocide against the third or fourth largest group.

      As for the rest I concur with Dhomas: assimilation and abnegation of a past is the only way to be quebecois.

    • azrhey 21:07 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      ahh.. I’m a Montrealer… But although the Montreal/Quebec THANG has an extra layer here, you have the same issue, in other places where you have a large multicultural metropolis vs a “back country”
      I’ve lived my first 5 years in small town France, my next 6 years in tiny village Portugal the next 0 in Montreal, the next 4 in London.UK and the last 4 back in Montreal. With an extra 4 years of several stints around Europe for 4 or 6 months.

      Took me about 2 months to feel like a Londoner, about the same for Chicago, Paris..back to Montreal. Big large cities… even with all its quirks and differences are rather easy to be you belong to. You’re just another weirdo among a sea of weirdoes.

      But Quebecer? Nah… Like I don’t feel like a Portuguese when I’m back in the village with the family, but I do feel like Lisboète after just a couple of weeks in an b&b. I have more in common with some random middle class university educated tech savvy Singaporean person of Chinese descent, than I do with some bus driver from Val d’Or ( NOTHING wrong with bus drivers of Val D’Or, but we don’t have as much in common ).

      I speak French way better than I do English and I’ve been living in Canada for 1/4 of century, but I spent 2 weeks in St-Denis-sur-Richelieu and then 2 weeks in Berlin nearly back to back. Even if I don’t speak German, where do you think I felt more at home? *hint* it’s the place that delivers Thai food at 3am!

      metropolises have this way of not entirely belonging to the country where they are located….

    • mb 21:26 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      “metropolises have this way of not entirely belonging to the country where they are located….” Yes, and not just “not entirely belonging”, but often being the complete opposite. It’s the case everywhere I can think of. Always better to identify with a city than a country, whether real or imagined.

      Another corner of the Empire provides us with a more inclusive and friendly version of separatism: Scotland, where everyone is enrolled without consideration of origin, all united against England!

    • DeWolf 10:50 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      My answer to the question: I don’t really care. I live in Montreal, and Montreal is in Quebec, so I will always feel implicated in both places. But I don’t care if anyone thinks of me as Québécois or not, and as I’ve gotten older I’ve lost all interest in labelling myself, especially in these days where so many people wear their identities on their sleeve.

      I spent 1/3 of my life overseas, some very formative years, in a place with similarly complex questions of identity. Who is a Hongkonger? Who is a 香港人? Just like “Québécois de souche” in Quebec, ethnically Cantonese people get a free pass in Hong Kong. Their identity is never questioned. But what about South Asians and Filipinos? People who don’t speak fluent Cantonese? Immigrants from mainland China? Just like ‘Québécois’, ‘Hongkonger’ is both a civic and a cultural identity, which makes things complicated. And just like here, it’s the source of endless debate.

      The only sane answer is to stop caring so much about what other people think.

    • DeWolf 10:59 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      Also, returning to the topic that started this thread… Lise Ravary is not some kind of Quebec whisperer who speaks the truth of an entire people. She speaks only for conservative nationalists, a tribe of people whose existence is ironically universal. It doesn’t matter where you go, you’ll find the same bigotry, just in slightly different flavours.

    • Kate 11:26 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      To be fair, DeWolf, it bites a little deeper when the question’s being asked of someone who was not only born here, but has some family history here going back nearly 200 years (viz, me, but others as well). It hasn’t happened recently, but I’ve been asked where I’m from and told to go home, often enough to remember.

      Also, a mini anecdote. I had a friend who lived here for 20 years. She was franco-Manitoban with a French name. She was reprimanded by a customer for not speaking French “properly” – she was fully fluent in both languages, but the Manitoban accent is different, a little flatter, a little more like an anglo speaking French, and the client had a problem with it.

    • Meezly 12:26 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      I remember talking to some boy in the neigbourhood and he asked me where I was from in French. I told him I was Canadian. Then I asked him if he was Canadian. I think he answered yes, but I specifically remembered his mother correcting him saying “he’s Quebecois first, Canadian second.”

      Being an Anglo from the west coast, I’ve had conversations with other anglo friends from elsewhere about how living as an Anglo in Montreal is similar to being an ex-pat. We have most of the privileges of Canadian citizenship but are still treated like foreigners.

      I’m first generation Chinese who had to assimilate growing up in BC for various reasons. I consider myself Chinese-Canadian first, a Montrealer second and Quebecer last. I really honestly don’t see myself as a Quebecer.

    • qatzelok 13:58 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      I find it interesting that people from non-rich countries are usally called “immigrants,” while immigrants from rich countries (like Canada) are often called “ex-pats.”

      Can someone explain this difference and how it might relate to being considered “Québecois?”

    • Meezly 14:13 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      @qatzelok. I though I just did, and you seemed to have answered your own question…?

    • Kate 15:40 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      qatzelok, don’t troll. You don’t “find it interesting” and it’s a point that’s been made many times by people cleverer than you are.

    • Tee Owe 15:59 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      Taking qatzelok seriously for a moment – the difference is simple, and not how you define – it’s not about being rich – ex-pats can go to somewhere corresponding to home more or less whenever they choose, immigrants can’t

    • azrhey 16:27 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      having been both an immigrant and an ex-pat, ill give a facetious questions a serious answer…. the difference is supposed to be that an immigrant doesn’t want to go, he goes because it has to (for better conditions, more hope for the children, etc.) , whereas the ex-pat could comfortably stay put, but hey it’s shiny over there, let’s go there for a bit . This last part is also important ex-pats usually don’t plan on forever. When we moved to canada it had a finally to it because there was no way we could live in portugal with my parents skills….when I moved to ..anywhere as an adult was more like “ohhh shiny! lets go see if I like it there”

      ORIGINALLY it didn’t have a segregation/racist compotent…however it IS true that expats are mostly WEIRD ( Western, Educated, Industrialized, rich, democratic ) and immigrants are PoC and other people from the Big South. So it got tainted by its own statistics.

    • Kevin 17:52 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      I was an ex-pat when I lived in the USA because I never intended to stay there.
      My dad and other members of my extended family are immigrants because once they arrived, they never intended to leave (and never did).

    • jeleventybillionandone 18:58 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      I’m curious about Ian’s statement that “French-speaking Québecois … have cut themselves off from all the other historically francophone regions of Canada like Manitoba, New Brunswick or Northern Ontario”. Honest question because I genuinely don’t know anything about this topic: how does this manifest and why? Is this cutting off a passive thing (whoops, we forgot about youse) or active (let’s not talk to them because they’re not really Francophone, like Kate’s anecdote about a Francophone Manitoban’s French being dismissed as “not proper”)? Is there a difference in this cutting off depending on subpopulation (e.g., Acadians vs Franco-Ontariens)?

    • Kate 23:42 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      jeleventybillionandone, it’s a complicated situation, but the quick summary is that Quebec has never done much to support francophones in other provinces, despite the ostensible concerns about the fate of French as a living language in North America. There are various theories why this is so.

  • Kate 11:41 on 2022-01-23 Permalink | Reply  

    Amplifying on an article from earlier this month, La Presse goes into more detail about why the city has failed to turn any profit from its paper recycling, even as the demand grows for recycled paper to make cardboard boxes. It’s a complicated tale but although the problem is blamed ultimately on the machinery that’s meant to separate plastic from paper, I still think the city’s unwillingness to ask us to separate the materials first (as is done in many other places) is also a point of failure.

     
  • Kate 11:36 on 2022-01-23 Permalink | Reply  

    Intensive care is still overwhelmed with Covid patients and half the patients in all our hospitals are there because of Covid. Nurses have just about had it.

    Quebec is resisting using any of Ottawa’s money to properly ventilate classrooms.

    But it’s with déjà vu that I see media also giving time to the push for the end of measures again. Stores are open Sundays, and restaurant owners continue to press for a reopening date – all as has happened before. Of course people want to feel more “normal”, but they have to get a grip and remember this whole thing is not being done to them by the authorities but the evolution of Covid is unpredictable and follows its own path.

    This morning, my cat is annoyed about winter. She wants to go out in the yard, but it’s been too cold for days even to venture onto the back porch. She’s irritated that I won’t make it nicer for her. The people complaining about official pandemic measures are like this. They seem to think the government can change the conditions, my cat seems to think that if I would only make an effort, it would be warm and sunny and green outside. It’s a category error.

     
    • Chris 13:12 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      >…this whole thing is not being done to them by the authorities…

      Huh? If not the authorities, who is it that has forced stores closed? Are you anthropomorphizing the virus as the responsible one? Sure, the virus is the thing causing us to have to decide. But it’s the authorities deciding *how* to respond.

    • Kate 13:42 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Do you hear meowing? I hear meowing.

      Chris, the authorities have to respond in some way to a pandemic. Yes, the response is largely dictated by politics, but when the hospitals are overrun, it isn’t only politics. Also, the government has no motive to shut down restaurants and other establishments for kicks – in fact, doing so deprives the government of tax revenue it would otherwise be able to collect. Occam’s razor.

      The government is NOT all wise and does not know best – with a new disease that can change its habits faster than a government makes decisions, that’s impossible. But it’s stupid to see it in terms of fighting the government. It’s a question of doing what we can to minimize contagion – it always has been.

      Because some of the measures feel oppressive, it does not automatically mean the government is at fault.

    • qatzelok 14:01 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      @Kate: “…my cat seems to think that if I would only make an effort, it would be warm and sunny and green outside…”

      Kate, you are the reason that your cat is trapped in a house. Cats don’t enjoy much agency in regards to their domesticated state. They can’t vote for freedom. They live in a human dictatorship.

      And if they had a choice – which they don’t – they would be want to be free to come and go as they wish. But we humans need them to be our affection slaves, so we deny them freedom.

    • Kate 14:28 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Trapped in a house! qatzelok, trust me, my cat voluntarily returns to me where there’s regular food and affectionate attention and, in wintertime, warm places to snooze. She would not be happier out in the alley.

      Our cats are domesticated creatures, as are we.

    • dwgs 14:35 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      qatzelok, I can see that you have never shared your home with a pet.

    • Chris 15:42 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Kate, I agree with everything in your reply. But your initial statement “this whole thing is not being done to them by the authorities” is just not a correct statement.

    • jeather 17:33 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      I have had cats, every one of whom has blamed me for the existence of winter. My current cat lived in my aunt’s back yard for a year before my aunt trapped her and I adopted her, and let me tell you, she has had many, many chances to escape. She doesn’t even want to sit on the balcony, just in case the door shuts while she is on the wrong side.

    • CE 22:32 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      My cat has been very grumpy for the last two months. He definitely blames my girlfriend and I for the snow and cold. He is free to go outside whenever he wants. I’ve opened the door for him but as soon as there was snow on the balcony, he balked at going out in it. I don’t blame him for thinking it’s our doing. We make water come from the tap, light come from the ceiling, we have the special device that opens his cans of food. If he could do those things himself (along with opening the door to a perpetually sunny balcony), then he would truly be free.

    • Kate 11:04 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      CE, I love this “We make water come from the tap, light come from the ceiling…”. Yes!

    • qatzelok 14:04 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      dwgs, I had a very nice cat for many ears.

      But I wonder if the pandemic could be a PETA falst-flag operation aimed at getting humans to see just how damaging “the lockdown lifestyle” is to domesticated animals.

      Do they really learn to love their slavery?

  • Kate 11:06 on 2022-01-23 Permalink | Reply  

    Spokesmen for Montreal North are not happy with the delay in building a promised sports centre in the borough. There’s always talk‑talk about providing services for young people there so they don’t so easily drift into gangs and trouble, but when it comes time to act, there’s nothing in the budget. There’s only one sports centre for all of Montreal North, Rivière‑des‑Prairies-Pointe‑aux‑Trembles, St‑Léonard and Anjou.

     
  • Kate 19:26 on 2022-01-22 Permalink | Reply  

    Saturday morning the thermometer reading came in at –26.7°, the coldest we’ve seen in four years.

     
    • Raymond Lutz 19:56 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Ce matin c’était -39 ici à Drummondville (sans le vent). Je me demandais aussi pourquoi la fournaise roulait non-stop…

  • Kate 18:33 on 2022-01-22 Permalink | Reply  

    Once again, a march was held against pandemic measures Saturday. Not sure how the Patriotes flag comes into this, but it’s shown in one of the photos, as is a Trump 2020 flag (?!).

     
    • Ephraim 21:33 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Being that most of my family are holocaust survivors, I wish they would stop with the holocaust references. Mengele personally selected people to go to the gas chambers at Auschwitz and he experimented on adults and children, in particular twins, with no regard to their health or safety.

      The vaccine, with a safety level of less than one per million for the vaccine versus a death rate of 850 per million, it’s clear that saving 849 people per million is clearly the better choice, even if these muttonheads don’t understand math.

    • Kate 23:00 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Ephraim, I see La Presse has replaced the photos with a video, which has none of the elements either of us has described. But they were there earlier.

      Referencing the Nazis reveals not only their poor taste but also their ignorance.

    • H. John 01:15 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Kate, I get both the video and below it the photos. Their site often doesn’t show a photo spread if I’m using Safari and I’ve reached the limit of free views.

    • Ephraim 10:19 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Maybe what we need is to stand there with a sign that says “This is what the failure of the education system looks like in real life”. Lack of mathematics & statistics, science, world history and language.

    • GC 00:01 on 2022-01-24 Permalink

      I’m with Ephraim.

  • Kate 17:37 on 2022-01-22 Permalink | Reply  

    Comic Mike Ward has offered the city 25 “minimaisons” for the homeless but has been turned down for the second year in a row. There’s no picture of these items, described as wooden tents, but I’m pretty sure they would tend to encourage the kind of homeless campsites the city has systematically dismantled over the last few years.

     
    • Mark 10:19 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      The issue of homelessness is a complex one, yes, but Mike Ward’s idea isn’t a bad one. I think the city is being a bit short-sided in its approach. There seems to be a need to over-regulate everything in Montreal and not let initiatives brew and develop on their own, organically, without the constant implication from municipal officials. The food trucks come to mind.

      That being said, I do agree with the City that just plunking mini-houses without additional supports or services is a bit lacking. A project like the 12 neighbors (https://www.12neighbours.com/) project in Fredericton goes one step further by integrating social enterprises, skills development, etc. That being said, that’s much more costly than just plunking mini-houses somewhere.

    • dhomas 11:17 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      The city also might not want to associate with Mike Ward, given his history. Might make for bad optics.

    • Kate 13:04 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      dhomas, I think you’re right on this.

    • CE 22:34 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      Sounds like Mike Ward just wants to get his name in the news. If he was serious about helping the homeless, he’d donate whatever these 25 tents cost to organizations that know better than anyone what the homeless need and want.

  • Kate 11:50 on 2022-01-22 Permalink | Reply  

    A whole lot of restaurant and bar owners are considering holding a mass defiance of health orders at the end of January.

     
    • Uatu 12:20 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Hey I’m all for it… as long as they volunteer their time at the ER and ICU to help out.

    • Kevin 12:28 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      I am okay as long as they agree to stay home and suffer once they get sick and can no longer breathe. No asking for medical help from overworked doctors and nurses.

    • j2 12:40 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      I do have a lot of sympathy and one of my thoughts was they should forfeit the government programs if they do open, in addition to fines, but the article makes the point the government programs aren’t even good enough, definitely in terms of timeliness if nothing else like amount and simplicity. (I’m not sure why this should be difficult, most of these businesses had well established taxes and sales but then of course the fact I have to fill out my side of income tax is also mind boggling.)

      It’s not clear to me how they can get change? Demonstrations? This? Maybe this is what’s left?

    • Joey 12:50 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Prediction: by January 30, the province will have already announced a reopening date for dining rooms

    • Kate 13:17 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

    • Chris 13:40 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Uatu and Kevin: when do you think restaurants and bars should reopen? What metric or threshold are you waiting for?

    • Tim S. 13:46 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Chris, what are your acceptable mortality/long-term complication rates?

    • Ephraim 14:45 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Even at 25%, the government should allow them to take a non-refundable deposit with reservations (with a maximum of 20% of their average ticket per person) as part of a compromise to help towards their reopening. Or make it a gift-certificate purchase, if refundable… so they have the embarrassment of having to come in and collect it, if they cancel/no-show. The no-shows and last minute cancellations are killing them. It’s time to stop the no-shows.

    • Kevin 16:46 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Chris
      When doctors and nurses are able to take a week or two off without being called back in.

      A lot of people haven’t had any time off in two years.

    • Faiz Imam 00:04 on 2022-01-23 Permalink

      If routine surgery and overall standard of care is at least approaching normal, we can start loosening things.

      But as long as people who need lifesaving surgery are having their operations cancelled, I dont think anything else matters.

  • Kate 10:02 on 2022-01-22 Permalink | Reply  

    I’m puzzled by this account of the sentencing of a man for having dealings with a woman he thought was a prostitute but was really a policewoman. Among the odd aspects is that he thought she was 16, but 16 is the age of consent in Canada. And then there’s the stuff about not wanting a criminal record. But isn’t the whole story a tale of police entrapment?

     
    • steph 10:37 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Staging a service is not entrapment, soliciting him directly would be. Knowingly paying a minor for sex is VERY illegal. I cant think of a single “legalize prostitution” movement that wants to include minors in that goal.

    • David S 15:12 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Age of consent is 16, as long as there is no coercion, position of authority, or exchange of goods. Then it’s considered sexual abuse and/or sexual exploitation.

    • H. John 18:11 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      The decision gives a clearer understanding of the facts and the charge (in French):

      https://bit.ly/3IuPA52

    • Kate 18:36 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Thank you, H. John.

  • Kate 09:56 on 2022-01-22 Permalink | Reply  

    Luc Desparois, known as the roi des calèches, is suing the city over making his occupation illegal. He’s asking for $200,000, which doesn’t seem outrageous to offset a loss of a lifetime’s income.

     
  • Kate 09:50 on 2022-01-22 Permalink | Reply  

    Better late than never, Quebec is going to protect Chinatown from developers.

    Also in Le Devoir Saturday.

     
    • DeWolf 11:03 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      This targets the Hillpark Capital acquisitions very specifically. Most of Chinatown won’t be touched by this.

      I’d like to see some protection for the beautiful 19th century greystone commercial blocks on St-Laurent, like the one that hosted the first film screening in Canada, which burned down after a botched renovation. Most of their upper floors are vacant.

    • Meezly 11:16 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Maybe more specifics will be announced on Monday, but the article states that the site of Chinatown, including two buildings, will be designated a heritage and thus, fall under the protection of it as law. At the end, it describes the borders of the site.

      “Ses limites convenues sont circonscrites par la rue Jeanne-Mance, la rue Saint-Dominique, l’avenue Viger et le boulevard René-Lévesque.”

      This sounds like great news.

    • Kate 11:28 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      DeWolf, not only that wonderful building, but also the one at the northwest corner of La Gauchetière and St‑Laurent, where the Sun Hing grocery was, but which burned down in 2007 leaving a gap like a missing tooth. Ben Soo has a photo of it here, and he also shot the better known building where the first film screening happened, here. (I still miss the Sun Hing – the family who ran it were so nice.)

      It would have been better for Chinatown if those upper stories had been occupied, rather than – as my impression was, and which you can see in Ben’s photos – so often used for dead storage, drying out and becoming more tindery with the years. I am not sure why that was the tendency, but it was.

    • DeWolf 11:30 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Meezly, that paragraph is just describing the official borders of Chinatown. The heritage protection only applies to the block west of St-Urbain.

      At this point, I hope some level of government can begin negotiations to purchase the block from Hillpark. There’s a lot of potential to hand it over to an NGO that can manage it as a mixed-use community complex with businesses, the existing temple, affordable housing and some kind of cultural centre inside the old Wing’s factory.

      The Blue House in Hong Kong would actually be a very interesting model to follow…

      https://zolimacitymag.com/how-the-blue-house-is-keeping-hong-kongs-heritage-alive/

  • Kate 01:28 on 2022-01-22 Permalink | Reply  

    A man was shot in the legs as he was walking along a Montreal North street with a friend on Friday evening. He’s in stable condition and cops are investigating.

    Later, another man was shot in Montreal North overnight.

     
  • Kate 01:25 on 2022-01-22 Permalink | Reply  

    Not only are we under a severe cold warning, there’s also a smog warning in effect at least till Saturday morning. So if you were thinking of burning something to stay warm, don’t.

    Saturday morning, the smog warning has been prolonged.

    Looking in at 6:30 pm Saturday, the smog warning is still up.

     
  • Kate 19:25 on 2022-01-21 Permalink | Reply  

    A refuge for homeless indigenous people has opened downtown on St‑Dominique around the corner from St‑Norbert.

     
  • Kate 19:18 on 2022-01-21 Permalink | Reply  

    The completion of the REM to the South Shore has been delayed till this autumn. All kinds of things are blamed: workers out sick, supply chain problems, the difficulty of recruiting specialized workers abroad…

     
    • ant6n 06:56 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      Remember when the BAPE had to be rushed through in like 45 days because this thing needed to be running by 2020. Oh they also couldn’t fix the flaws of the project (like sharing with AMT and VIA rail in Mont-Royal tunnel) because their time schedules was more important.

    • mare 10:14 on 2022-01-22 Permalink

      They might also not *want* to open at the moment because it would be a (total fiasco) less successful with the current ridership numbers. And on top of that a flood of complaints when people find out that their favourite bus line stopped running and they suddenly have to transfer a few times. (Not sure if that exclusively clause will be implemented immediately after launch)

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