Legault sets out rules for school reopening
Grade schools and daycares will reopen May 19 in the greater Montreal area. High schools won’t reopen until late August. Parents won’t be penalized if they keep their kids at home, and some parents better be doing that because there’s to be a maximum of 15 kids per classroom.
Skimmed off Twitter, will add links when I find them.
Here’s the Gazette on grade schools reopening.
Update: Some answers to questions from La Presse; teachers want masks in class – this is such an ironic twist on Bill 21 – and teachers in general are ill at ease over the government decision. Education minister Roberge talked a lot about making kids do schoolwork at home.
Mark Côté 14:14 on 2020-04-27 Permalink
This is going to put parents in a very difficult position. There will be pressure on parents to send their kids to school even if there are greater risks in some families (parents with health conditions, live-in grandparents, etc.), since they’re going have to decide whether to put family members at risk versus, at best, telling their kids they don’t get to socialize while some of their friends now do, or, at worst, seeing them fall behind their class and struggle later.
At least we have 3 weeks to see how the situation in Montreal progresses. But I’m not looking forward to making this choice.
Kate 14:33 on 2020-04-27 Permalink
Also, I would think, pressure on some to send their kids to school so they can get back to work themselves. Legault’s supposed to address the question of reopening businesses tomorrow.
walkerp 15:04 on 2020-04-27 Permalink
I just don’t get how this is supposed to work. Is the idea that we can slowly let the virus back into the community until too many people get sick and die and then we shut everything down again? Do they believe they can manage schools in such a way that the virus won’t spread?
Mark 15:13 on 2020-04-27 Permalink
So I’m exactly in the situation that Mark above describes. I have 3 kids (5,7,9) and we take care of my mother who is 83 and has Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, so she is as “at-risk” as it gets. She has her own room with a small kitchen and bathroom so she could be “internally” isolated from us if the kids go back to school. Do the kids go back to school now? September? What will be different then, with no vaccine? It seems too soon to send the kids back now, but they can’t stay in forever.
My take is to wait a bit until we hopefully have more information about whether or not COVID-19 can be caught more than once. Once we know that by catching this, there is a 96-98% chance of not catching it again, then I don’t mind getting out there and catching this and dealing with the repercussions, including the risk of dying as a healthy 43-year-old.
But today, April 27, we don’t have any information about catching this twice, or long term repercussions for recovered patients, or how it attacks other parts of the body, etc. We don’t have enough information to make an informed decision and weighing the pros, cons, and risks of our choice.
Baru 16:35 on 2020-04-27 Permalink
I’ve already heard of employers contacting their workers telling them to show up to work as a result of the openings, or else they will consider them to have resigned from their jobs.
a range of hasty re-openings are going to occur now all over Canada as a result of the business community losing patience and starting to turn the screws.
vasi 18:03 on 2020-04-27 Permalink
A lot of folks are saying “if we don’t do this, then what? do we just stay indoors forever?” But there’s a lot between May and infinity! We could wait until any of:
We have proof that immunity is a real, lasting thing
We’ve had a couple of weeks of steadily lower case loads, so we have some leeway in case things go bad
We have enough testing capacity to test any children or teachers who may have been exposed
We have enough spare hospital capacity that we’re not at risk of overfilling them
We’re no longer hearing reports of PPE shortages, so that we don’t risk running out if things get worse
We have data about the effects of school re-openings on infection rates and educational outcomes, from other countries or provinces that are ahead of us
We have new treatments that are more effective
It doesn’t really sound like we’re meeting any particular criteria, we’re just opening cuz we’re tired of being indoors and willing to take risks. And we’ve decided if 1% of Quebec dies, and 15% ends up in hospital or with long-term sequelae, we’re ok with that.
GC 19:10 on 2020-04-27 Permalink
I have a great deal of questions on the practicality/feasibility of maintaining the class sizes under fifteen, but I suppose I should see what is covered in the education minister’s briefing first…
What I don’t get is why we can’t wait another week or so to make sure the hospitals stay somewhat stable, before pulling the trigger on this. I get that the schools/teachers need a bit of notice, but we can certainly wait a week or so and then still give them two weeks notice. I get that eventually there will be so little of the school year left that there won’t be any point in going back but, beyond that, it seems like he’s manufacturing some sort of artificial deadline here.
walkerp 07:12 on 2020-04-28 Permalink
The May 11 and 19 dates are contingent on the numbers not getting worse. I would not be surprised at all if they get pushed back once again. Possible that the announcement itself was sent out to test the waters of public opinion.
I think in general I am questioning the lack of emphasis and priority on supporting and improving the medical system. Should we not be finding solutions for mass testing, a system for contact tracing, improving our emergency rooms, radically changing the way we manage our seniors homes? Shouldn’t all that be the focus of our mobilization rather than just trying to gradually get back to normal?
Meezly 09:15 on 2020-04-28 Permalink
It makes absolutely no sense for QC to reopen in mid-May, if you compare with other provinces with way fewer cases and they have more careful measures in place. It’s obvious Legault is under huge pressure from big businesses. I know that teachers’ unions are going to fight this, and I don’t blame them for not wanting to be sent to an ‘at risk’ work environment.
Below is a POV from a virologist from McGill who has been part of the creation of the new infectious disease centre at the MUHC MI4 and someone who has spent time reading actual scientific papers that come out on COVID.
By Claire Trottier:
“Hi all. I’ve had a number of people reach out to me for my thoughts on
Legault’s announcements that elementary schools will begin opening in
Montreal on May 19th, and I thought it would make sense to make a public
post. Like any scientist, I am willing to change my mind after reviewing
new evidence. These are my thoughts in this moment.
Will I be sending my kids to school on May 19th? No. First, I have asthma
and in general I will be more cautious than most. Even without the asthma,
I wouldn’t send my kids to school. Part of the reason comes from the
privilege of my life. I live in a pretty big house, I have a yard, my kids
have devices and toys to keep them occupied, we have plentiful food, and a
stable and loving home. It’s still hard, Aron and I are both working and
the kids end up watching a lot of terrible shows on Netflix. If I didn’t
have access to all these comforts, my calculus might be different, and I
might send my kids to school.
The most compelling reasons I have heard for re-opening the schools have
centered on issues of poverty and inequality. Many kids rely on school
lunches. Many kids do not live in safe home environments. Many kids may
have loving homes, but still have home situations that make physical
distancing extremely difficult. This crisis has revealed deep inequalities
and have exacerbated them. There is a steep societal cost to physical
distancing (the list is much longer), and that has to be part of the
calculation.
There is also a cost to re-opening. Kids with parents with pre-existing
conditions. Teachers and school staff with pre-existing conditions, putting
themselves at risk. People without pre-existing conditions are also getting
very sick. Evidence of emerging complications for kids who get Covid-19.
And re-opening in Montreal of all places? Montreal has the highest number
of cases in the country. We have shifted our testing capacity to prioritize
the elderly and front-line workers without establishing a path to massively
increase testing capacity for the general population. We have dismal
contact tracing. All this means that we are basically flying blind. We do
not have good data on community transmission right now, because we just
aren’t doing the testing or the contact tracing, period.
On top of that, we know that cases are rising in Montreal North and other
neighborhoods with higher concentrations of more marginalized communities,
who will likely bear the brunt of any further increased cases of Covid-19
from schools. But don’t worry, there is plenty of place in our ERs for when
they or our teachers get sick. I have a really hard time with that
particular argument.
On April 14th, the WHO released their updated strategic preparedness plan
that outlines the key necessary steps to maintain low-to-no community
transmission. Montreal clearly does not fullfil these criteria, in fact we
fail dismally. We do NOT have controlled transmission. We do NOT have the
capacity to test, trace, and isolate all cases. Outbreak rates are HIGH in
vulnerable settings like old age homes.
Until we MASSIVELY increase our testing and contact tracing capacity, until
we have controlled the outbreaks in old age homes, until we have controlled
transmission in the community, we should not be re-opening schools.
What we should be doing is ramping up solutions to the very real and
devastating negative effects of physical distancing for so many people. We
should be hearing about detailed plans to increase testing and tracing
capacity. We should not be re-opening schools.
As always, I am willing to change my mind or adjust my way of thinking. I
would especially welcome comments from friends in public health,
microbiology, or immunology.”