Updates from August, 2020 Toggle Comment Threads | Keyboard Shortcuts

  • Kate 18:58 on 2020-08-15 Permalink | Reply  

    Another anti-mask demo was held Saturday afternoon at the Sûreté du Québec headquarters.

    I took the bus to go to a grocery store I like, Saturday. At the store, people serving at the deli counter had their masks below their noses, and one simply wore his as a chin hammock. I made a remark to him but it was like nothing had been said. I didn’t get anything from the counter, seeing how sloppy they were being. On the bus, most were properly masked, but one guy had his mask dangling from an ear.

    We need some enforcers, seriously. Fines on the spot.

     
    • Chris 19:13 on 2020-08-15 Permalink

      Kate, you’re never going to get 100% mask compliance, just like some people still use drugs, or drive too fast, or disobey whatever other rule. In fact, like drugs, you should look at it from a harm reduction angle. Fining drug addicts doesn’t work, and fining these guys won’t work either. Most people are wearing masks where needed, and that’s good enough.

    • Max 19:19 on 2020-08-15 Permalink

      As always, I’m sorely disappointed at how our police force can’t be arsed to properly do their jobs. Maybe it’s the neighbourhoods I frequent, but I can’t think of one instance where I’ve witnessed them enforcing social distancing or mask wearing rules. Not even one.

      I sure often do see them sitting in the cars and playing with their phones though 🙁

    • Michael Black 19:34 on 2020-08-15 Permalink

      Drug use is most likely to affect the user, though there is fallout from things like crime to pay for the habit.

      Masks are about limiting the damage to others, not about protecting yourself.

      Cops say they don’t want to give out tickets, associated groups aren’t allowed. But what happened to warnings? They want authority, so why aten’t they telling people to wear masks?

    • SB 19:37 on 2020-08-15 Permalink

      I had to go to the Westmount Square clinic twice last week. There were signs at all of the entrances to the building and the clinic itself. Clearly indicating proper regulations along with bottles of hand sanitizer at all entrances. In the clinic waiting room all were properly wearing their masks and sitting in the spaced out seats. All except the receptionists. The one that served me twice, an older woman kept removing her mask in between seeing us. Answering the phone without sanitizing it after using it. Doctors and technicians arriving in the morning, all who were properly masked, either didn’t notice her or didn’t care. I mentioned it to the doctor I was seeing both times I was there. I assume nothing’s changed given that she was still doing the same thing the second time I was there.

    • Michael Black 19:57 on 2020-08-15 Permalink

      I had a blood test yesterday,and it was the first time I’d gone anywhere in two months. Someone at the door just asked “do you have any symptoms”, while back in June they went through the checklist.

      But I saw nobody without a mask. And there was plexiglass between me and the technician with a place to put my arm through.

      I haven’t seen a doctor since December, the appointment in March postponed twice. Now the end of September, but by remote they are talking about.

    • mare 20:31 on 2020-08-15 Permalink

      Walking my dogs this afternoon I saw, for the first time ever, cops from five cars handing out warnings and maybe actually fining people in our neighbourhood park and adjacent skate park. I presume for lack of social distancing, but I’m not 100% sure. Maybe something really bad had happened and they were gathering witness statements, but they looked stern and i saw unhappy looking people fill out forms.

      On my way back they had left and the teens standing around the skatepark were all back in large numbers rubbing shoulders again. I hope that when schools are reopening and the infection rate goes up the young people will start taking the pandemic a bit more serious, otherwise we’re in for a nice big second wave. Most people do their part, and outside the exposure is not that intense and prolonged so it’s not such a big deal, but I also noticed the return of the greeting of friends with hugs and kisses.

    • dwgs 08:06 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

      I’m not saying that we won’t see a spike when the kids go back to school but I’m starting to think it won’t be as bad as I had initially feared. I’ve seen kids (including my own) interact over the last couple of months at the park, through sports, and just generally hanging around and I think if there was going to be a major breakout it would have already happened. I’m talking about teenagers here, who aren’t the best at following instructions.

    • walkerp 09:22 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

      We were on vacation for the last week, out in the Saguenay Fjord area and mask discipline was quite high. Everybody was wearing them in the stores, restaurants and lodgings and employees were reminding people to use the hand sanitizer.

    • Kate 10:04 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

      Chris, inspectors could at least visit grocery stores and fine those not enforcing masks on people handling food. I like the grocery store I mentioned in the post, but am reconsidering shopping there – if they’re willing to allow their public-facing workers to be sloppy about masks, what other corners are they cutting?

    • JaneyB 10:06 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

      In Verdun, indoor and proper mask wearing, sanitizing etc is first-rate. I think I have only seen one scofflaw since it became mandatory and he was a senior holding a mask and somewhat disoriented. There’s a fair bit of outdoor masking too here though I have seen a few larger unmasked multifamily bbqs in the park. Anxiety and family stress were palpable here in April and May. Lots of seniors, disabled and health care staff in this borough. Many Verduners rarely go outside Verdun so this might also help establish strong masking norms. Now we watch and wait for the second shoe to drop.

    • jeather 10:22 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

      Masks help both the person wearing the mask and the people near that person. They do more to help others, but they reduce the viral load you are exposed to as well, reducing the chance of infection and the severity if you are infected.

    • Ephraim 10:27 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

      The original suggestion for not wearing a mask was because people wearing masks were getting sick, in spite of wearing masks. This suggestion is borne of the opposite idea, that those who may be sick would spread less droplets. So the two suggestions for not wearing and for wearing are from based on two different ideas and therefore not really related.

      When I come upon someone who isn’t wearing their mask as they should, I avoid them… like the plague, because essentially that is what they are, to me. I literally stop in my tracks to let them go, if they are ahead of me. I walk in the other direction if they are walking towards me or a place myself near a barrier. If I have no choice, I will tell them to stay away from me, because they aren’t properly masked. Is their choice… to be an asshole… it’s my choice to not tolerate it. I’m a support for someone else. I’m keeping myself LOW risk.

      I walked by a sushi place where the employee was on the telephone while making sushi…. No. Never ordering from there. It’s droplets… mask up or shut up, but don’t be talking while working over food. But in the supermarket, I would have called the manager and asked him a simple question… “How would you react if someone took a picture of this and posted it on Facebook and Google Reviews? And how do you think that head office and the city inspection agencies would feel about that?” I’ve asked the same question when I come into a bathroom that isn’t maintained… everyone has a camera, all it takes is ONE person to post it.

      I walked into a supermarket that wasn’t enforcing the masks. The employees didn’t feel comfortable with enforcing it. Well, I didn’t feel comfortable as a customer being there… and I won’t be back, even to see if they have correct it. If possible, call the manager. The problem was, that it was a union problem, the unions were allowing the employee to refuse. But now that it’s law, they don’t have a choice. Manager should know and do something about it immediately.

      For those who have little kids, offer them 25c for each improperly masked person that they shame. Make it a game. “Mommy/Daddy, why is that person not wearing their mask properly to protect the health of everyone?” The kids love a game 🙂

    • Kate 12:12 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

      Ephraim, it crossed my mind to take photos, but this place would not have hesitated to throw me out and bar me. I didn’t want a scene.

    • MarcG 12:47 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

      On Friday I went to Mont St-Bruno for a hike. Many paths were marked uni-directional for distancing and lots of people just ignored it. I saw people walk maskless past a big sign saying “masks required” into the bathroom. On the way home I stopped at the Jardins Interieurs, a seniors residence in St-Lambert, and the nurses nurses were changing shifts; half of them walked into the building without masks on. Groups of old ladies gathered in bunches at the front desk with masks dangling under their chins. The security guard couldn’t keep his mask on for more than 2 seconds. It’s very discouraging that people can’t follow simple instructions.

      Regarding the kids playing outside in the parks for months and the numbers not spiking, I suspect it has to do with the fact that they’re outside moving around and not sitting next to each other in a closed room like they will be at school.

    • jeather 13:07 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

      I don’t wear masks outdoors, and it looks like the risk of infection in the 10 seconds you take to walk past someone who is unmasked is all but non-existent. I wear them all the time and correctly in indoor public spaces, and at the public markets/at a service counter to a store out a window.

    • Matty 22:33 on 2020-08-17 Permalink

      I figure, when I wear a mask, I’m protected, so, why should I care if somebody else doesn’t or berate them for their difference of opinion or preference or choice–after all, this is a democracy–so, non-compliance doesn’t bother me at all. I think shaming people is unkind, counter-productive, cruel and unnecessary. I practice tolerance of people whose opinions differ from mine and that police resources should be devoted to really serious issues like domestic violence, armed robber and murder, etc.

    • Kate 00:34 on 2020-08-18 Permalink

      Matty, the virus doesn’t give a damn about difference of opinion. Armed robbery and murder are a minuscule matter here, covid is not.

    • MarcG 08:55 on 2020-08-18 Permalink

      Unfortunately “when I wear a mask, I’m protected” doesn’t seem to be how this game works.

    • Chris 09:34 on 2020-08-18 Permalink

      >Chris, inspectors could at least visit grocery stores and fine…

      There’s a million things scarce inspectors could be doing. There’s lots of idling cars, speeding motorists, people littering, people hosing their driveways (remember that one), etc., etc. We’d need to live in a police state to have enough inspectors doing all these things. Mask compliance is quite high, and that’s good enough.

      Matty: I agree completely.

  • Kate 18:10 on 2020-08-15 Permalink | Reply  

    Gilles Beaudry of the “Mes Quartiers” blog says he’s visited 443 ruelles vertes since last summer, and walked 200 km, to give us the top 20 ruelles according to his well considered list of criteria.

     
    • Kate 11:18 on 2020-08-15 Permalink | Reply  

      The city has ruled out further delays in collecting property taxes, so they will be payable on September 1.

       
      • Ian 16:34 on 2020-08-15 Permalink

        If the city wants to help small businesses survive, tax relief is way more effective than blocking off streets and beclowning downtown.

      • Ephraim 17:26 on 2020-08-15 Permalink

        The number one way that Montreal could help is lowering taxes, but that would mean that either they find a new source of revenue or actually do something about efficiency. But you can’t really do something about efficiency when you don’t put in strong financial controls and open the data for citizens to see that you are doing it. Contracts still go out without proper tenders…

      • Chris 19:07 on 2020-08-15 Permalink

        Ian, who says blocking off streets is only, or even mainly, to help small businesses survive? Closing streets has many benefits, and you still have a zillion other streets to drive on. People act like they’ve closed some large fraction of streets, when it’s probably 0.0001% or something.

      • JP 22:14 on 2020-08-15 Permalink

        This summer in Montreal, I think way more than 0.0001% of streets are blocked. I am constantly encountering a deluge of orange and detours. Not saying it’s bad or good, but it feels like we’re fixing or re-doing a lot.

      • Kate 10:52 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

        JP. I’m going to do a post about this – but if roads need to be repaired, when better to do it than when a lot of people are staying home?

      • Kevin 11:13 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

        Chris
        If drivers have to zig zag around a closure and end up bumper to bumper in detours, they are creating more pollution.

        And if you look at the city’s construction map you can see how many streets are affected
        http://ville.montreal.qc.ca/portal/page?_pageid=7097,79001583&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

      • Chris 11:15 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

        JP, I’m pretty sure Ian was referring to streets being blocked to cars not for construction, but for conversion into pedestrian spaces.

        I tried to quickly google how many km of roads there are on the island, but I couldn’t easily find the number.
        I did find recent headlines like “Hundreds of kilometres of temporary bike and pedestrian paths coming to Montreal”. It’s definitely a tiny portion of roads.

      • Ian 11:15 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

        @Chris the city said that helping business stay afloat was the point. I know you hate cars but this is not a nail, Mr. Hammer.

      • Chris 11:22 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

        >If drivers have to zig zag around a closure and end up bumper to bumper in detours, they are creating more pollution.

        And therefore what? We should build ever more roads so that motorists have the most direct route possible? We’ve tried that for a century already, it doesn’t work. See also “induced demand”.

      • Ian 11:29 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

        Nobody was talking in favour of cars in this thread until you brought it up, stop straw manning to create opportunities to bang on about your bête noir.

      • Chris 11:54 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

        (I’ll not bite on your sniping.)

        Perhaps you could clarify your initial comment then? Perhaps I misunderstood it. When you said “… is more effective than blocking off streets”. Was that not saying that it is better to have cars on those streets than for them to be reallocated to pedestrians? Your very language of calling the streets “blocked off” is telling. They aren’t *blocked* at all, they are absolutely open to visitors, just not cars. They are only “blocked” when one thinks in a car-centric way. i.e. you started this thread “talking in favour of cars”.

      • Ian 12:34 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

        I mean exactly what I said. PM keeps blocking off streets to help small business – but that’s the only idea they have. Well, that and clowns downtown. Tax forgiveness would be more effective. You know, because this thread started off talking about property tax collection going ahead. Nobody even brought up cars until you barged in with your own snark about how much you hate cars, yet again.

      • DeWolf 13:00 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

        Municipalities in Quebec are not allowed to run deficits. And property tax is basically the only major source of revenue for the city’s finances. So how on earth would be able to give that up and still function as a city? Maybe if we had a government other than the CAQ in power, the province would step in to cover any shortfalls. But as it stands, if you want tax forgiveness for small businesses, say goodbye to your neighbourhood libraries, park maintenance, frequent metro service, and say hello to roads that are even worse than usual. Quebec has made municipal finances as a zero-sum game.

      • Michael Black 13:27 on 2020-08-16 Permalink

        I think people know something needs to be done, but have no idea what. So they wave their hands and hooe.

        There was a brief time when car use was down, and that meant people and bicycles had it easier. At that point, nothing special was needed. Then the cars came back, but the remedies seem to miss that.

        We’ve seen here the illusion that bike use is up, Yes it was, more kids out, and adults doing recreational cycling with fewer cars on the road. But if they were commuting, it wasn’t car drivers, it was people who were already using public transport and wanted to avoid the germs.

        “Pedestrian corridors” make sense in crowded areas because there are lots of pedestrians. But that was the case before.

        But what fixes the problem, that sales are down? Focus on that problem,not use the situation to apply things yiu want changed.

        I love it when they close streets for street sales, but I don’t drive a car. I also know I can walk up and down St Catherine Street or St. Lawrence Blvd multiple times and but nothing, or very little. There isn’t much for me, I’d not buy much on those streets anyway. When they close Mount Royal ave, there is more that I might find interesting, and I probably buy some fruit or vegetables, maybe some used DVDs, but the street is full of neighbourhood stores, which probably means it fits pedestrians better.

        I loved it when the festivals outside stuff was low key, something in addition to the regular street life, but then tgey got big, and took over the areas and they became a target to attend, not a peripheral.

        So Ian’s right, doing things because they were popular in previous times doesn’t mean they’ll fix things now. Maybe clowns will bring me downtown (though I doubt it) but that won’t get me into the stores, because I wouldn’t buy there in the first place, and now I have little interest in going into storrs, weakness means I can’t go far, can’t carry much, and I’m not that interested in the rules and will be a burden if I get sick. Other people may want to limit going in stores beyond essentials, or don’t have the money.

        I’m surprised there aren’t more street sales. Because right now they may be a lure to bring people into the stores. Buy something and you don’t have to be in an enclosed space. St. Lawrence is closed right now, I suspect the restaurants are driving that, they seem to be driving the sales in ordinary times. And maybe it gets people back to a normal, a lower risk thing that maybe will bring them into stores later.

        But it’s all complicated, and not fixed by throwing solutions at the situation.

    • Kate 10:40 on 2020-08-15 Permalink | Reply  

      La Presse examines how automation is a factor in the port strike.

       
      • Kate 10:34 on 2020-08-15 Permalink | Reply  

        Interesting review of Dinu Bumbaru’s new book Carnet d’un promeneur dans Montréal.

         
        • Kate 10:13 on 2020-08-15 Permalink | Reply  

          CBC had this story a week ago, but La Presse and Radio-Canada are covering the Quebec coroner’s drug overdose report Saturday, La Presse adding only the later news that six more men died of overdose in the Montreal area between August 3 and 11.

          People are dying from stimulants, not from the more conventional opioids. Are people dying because they’re fighting pandemic boredom?

           
          c
          Compose new post
          j
          Next post/Next comment
          k
          Previous post/Previous comment
          r
          Reply
          e
          Edit
          o
          Show/Hide comments
          t
          Go to top
          l
          Go to login
          h
          Show/Hide help
          shift + esc
          Cancel