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  • Kate 18:15 on 2020-08-31 Permalink | Reply  

    Two cops who stopped and arrested a Black motorist in 2017 for no valid reason have been suspended without pay for 13 days, but the victim in the case says the punishment is too light. Not only did the officers arrest Kenrick McRae, they deleted his video record of their actions.

     
    • Ephraim 20:52 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      That’s the problem… the standard punishment is days off with no pay. That’s not a punishment, that’s unpaid vacation days. I fine equal to their pay or community service (community outreach) might be a good start. Oh… and deleting all the data on their personal phones.

    • Raymond Lutz 22:44 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

    • Jack 11:29 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

    • Ephraim 13:50 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      @Jack – Good question. Quebec law usually requires union membership for negotiation purposes. I think a better way to handle this question is to ask, should unions be held accountable for the actions of their members and the liability they incur if they violate procedures, laws or guidelines. In other words, when there is wrongdoing and the city gets sued, should the city be allowed to sue the policeman or the union who violated the laws and guidelines set forth.

      I want to use as an example, Patrick Guay and Pierre-Luc Furlotte, the two policemen who took a homeless man to almost the Ontario border and dumped him there. They were charged with forcible confinement, assault and uttering threats. What they weren’t charged with… stealing. Yes, stealing. They were being paid as police officers to be in their district on patrol at the time. They stole the car, because it was NOT authorized to be outside of SPVM territory. They stole gasoline, because they used the car for non-police business. They stole salary, because they weren’t doing their job at the time. They stole insurance, wear and tear on the vehicle, insurance, maintenance. They are finally facing criminal charges, but not for their violation of the duties, only for what they did. And yet, they violated the public trust. And what of Costa Labos, who hushed up the incident…. as far as I can tell, he’s suspended WITH PAY since August of 2017. A three year PAID vacation.

      So, should WE the public be allowed to sue the union, who’s protecting him, when and if he’s found guilty? Because frankly… I want that money back. I’m paying higher taxes for this guy to be on a PAID vacation.

    • Kate 15:44 on 2020-09-02 Permalink

      Ephraim, funny you should mention Costa Labos. He’s in the news again (I’ll be doing a post about this).

  • Kate 18:06 on 2020-08-31 Permalink | Reply  

    The walking and cycling path on the Jacques-Cartier bridge is to stay open all winter – at least, that’s the plan, after a successful pilot project last winter. But we all know that things that sound possible in August can become ludicrously impossible in January, depending on the weather. We’re all prone to a little seasonal amnesia.

     
    • Ian 18:08 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      May they clear it as regularly as the sidewalks in a working class neighbourhood.

    • Chris 19:36 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      Ian, you know, some working class people can’t afford a car, and cycling is even more affordable than public transport. Why the disdain for clearing a couple of km of bikeways in addition to the 1000s of km of roads and sidewalks we already clear?

    • Ian 08:03 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      Working class people are probably more concerned about he fact that their neighbourhoods are the last to get the sidewalks cleared in winter than whether a bike path is open all year. Have you ever been to the Point in wintertime?

    • Kate 10:54 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      In a recent job I had to pass through the Point in winter – it was cleared, but not quickly, and not very completely.

    • Sprocket 11:05 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      I lived in the Point for two years and thought the snow clearing was very good. As I did in Verdun and now CDN. Try the ROC or NY State. Each homeowner is responsible to clear the sidewalk and many are not good at it.

    • Ian 12:37 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      While it’s true that otherwhere people have to clear their own places, you don’t have to go all the way to Toronto to see how crappy sidewalk clearing is when it’s not done by the city – you can just go to Vendôme metro in January.

      I still go to the Point pretty regularly to visit friends (Charlevoix and Wellington) and while you may think it’s “very good” I wouldn’t want to rely on it if I were commuting by bicycle. By comparison, in MIle End snow clearing is done almost immediately.

    • CE 12:51 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      I Have lived in Mile End and Parc Ex over the last two years. I’ve found that the snow clearing in Parc Ex has been much faster and more complete. Mile End is a lot cleaner in the summer though.

    • MarcG 13:02 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      If I remember correctly the company that was doing the snow in the Sud-Ouest borough was changed recently, perhaps that has something to do with people’s different experiences. Found an article… https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/12/13/un-nouveau-deneigeur-dans-larrondissement-du-sud-ouest

    • Ian 13:05 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      That’s a good point, I know our snow removal company last year was different from the year before – and the guys last year were MUCH better.

  • Kate 15:13 on 2020-08-31 Permalink | Reply  

    The mayor’s going to create a committee to study contentious memorials. Basically, I doubt there’s a statue or plaque in town that nobody has a beef with.

     
    • Jebediah Pallindrome 15:26 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      Robbie Burns
      Brother Andre
      Polytechnique memorial
      Wilfrid Laurier
      Mihai Eminescu
      John Young
      Copernicus
      Georges-Etienne Cartier
      Emilie Gamelin
      Simon Bolivar
      Salvador Allende
      Chenier
      Irish cholera victims commemorative stone

      I haven’t hearch much argument re these but maybe I is wrong

    • Kate 16:51 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      I knew nothing about Mihai Eminescu nor do I know where his memorial is. But Wikipedia has this to say: Due to his conservative nationalistic views, Eminescu was easily adopted as an icon by the Romanian right. […] It has also been revealed that Eminescu demanded strong anti-Jewish legislation on the German model, saying, among other things, that “the Jew does not deserve any rights anywhere in Europe because he is not working.”

    • MarcG 16:52 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      Norman Bethune?

    • John B 16:56 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      Look up Bethune in China.

    • Kate 17:04 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      And those Irish cholera victims! I’ve heard they made a real mess in those fever sheds.

    • Jebediah Pallindrome 17:18 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      @Kate – I saw Romanian poet and thought, ‘this should be fine’

      Ruh roh!

      Also yeah good addition @MarcG – I had forgotten Bethune.

      Remarkably, no one seems to ever make a big stink about John Cabot but I don’t think he did much more than sail here.

    • Ian 17:29 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      Raoul Wallenberg

    • Kate 18:25 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      John B, that statue of Bethune was donated by the Chinese government. What unpopular thing is Bethune supposed to have done?

    • John B 19:10 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      It doesn’t look like he was super bad, but he did join up with the Communist Party of China and work as a doctor, I think for the Mao’s army, (my quick Googling is unclear if he was actually in the employ of Mao’s army). He does appear to have been a communist who spent a night chatting it up with Mao in a cave. If we’re looking for blemish-free heroes someone who shared Mao’s beliefs and helped bring him to power would not be appropriate.

      Not that he didn’t do amazing things in his life. He’s just not 100% perfect, (as most people are not).

      I read somewhere recently that Chinese people actually come to Canada to see the Bethune sights. He’s pretty well-known in China, probably more than in Canada.

    • Chris 19:40 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      And don’t forget “Mahatma” Gandhi, I believe there’s a bust of him in the eponymous park. His was a racist and slept naked with young girls.

    • Michael Black 20:41 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      Have you even read a biography of Gandhi-ji?

      Forty years ago biographies noted his eccentricities. He didn’t have sex with those young women (who were legal age, merely considerably younger than him), and since you seem to imply it, he wasn’t a minister or monk, just religious in his own way.

      His “racism” was passing. Besides, it is dwarfed by the racism of the greater society, the one that he had to campaign against.

      Once India tossed off its chains, other countries looked to Gandhi for inspirstion, if not his nonviolence. That includes the ANC before they went to violence.

      And here’s the fine print. The US pacifists sitting out WWII in prison looked to Gandhi, and that included Jim Peck, George Houser, Bayard Rustin, and James Farmer. Not only did some of them campaign to desegregate the prison dining halls, but after the war they put Gandhi’s work into practice. In work against war, but also against segregation.

      Bayard Rustin went to India in 1948 to learn from Gandhi, except he got there too late, Gandhi had been assassinated.

      They organized and paricipated in the Journey of Reconciliation in 1947 and the original Freedom Ride in 1961.

      They connected Gandhi to the civil rights movement, though I read recently that another big name had actually spent time with Gandhi.

      People tearing down statues react to little factoids and then make their decision. Since all of this happened, he can’t be the evil that you believe enough that you think his statues should come down.

      You should be way more concerned that we have parks named after MLK, Nelson Mandela and Gandhi in the same neighborhood. Presumably because “those people” living there would be most concerned with their lives. But they should be spread out, and in more “valuable” places. It’s no different from putting a Black Lives Matter banner away from downtown. These things matter to all of us.

    • Chris 22:07 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      Michael, you have read too much into my two little sentences. My own personal view is that celebrating/remembering people who made major contributions should not be predicated on those people being perfect, because no one is. Gandhi and Macdonald were not perfect, but they made major and important contributions. We should celebrate their achievements while also remembering their failings.

      Just as some have a hate-on for Macdonald, some have a hate-on for Gandhi. This summer his statues have been vandalized in London, Washington, Amsterdam, etc. His statues have been torn down in Ghana and elsewhere. Spend a little time googling “gandhi statue”.

      Do you really think Gandhi sleeping with 18 year olds decades younger than him would survive today with #MeToo? With the power imbalance between them? Was it real consent? And his “passing” racism? He was a 20th century man, some would say he should have known better than 19th century Macdonald. For many, he just wasn’t perfect enough, and therefore must be cancelled.

    • Douglas 22:58 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      Ghandi said “black people are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals”.

      So Ghandi was a racist. Why are we allowing racists to have statues placed and worshipped? We should take those statues of racists down and turn and plowshare it.

      Or are we okay with racists because they did something we like and approve of?

      Those youths with pseudo educations need to actually pick up books and read, instead of existing in their bubbles and thinking themselves woke and smart.

    • Ian 08:14 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      Michael Black, for all that Western thinkers took as inspiration from Gandhi, he is also largely responsible for the insane violence that took place during partition of 1947. Perhaps you have not heard of the Death Trains. My wife’s grandfather was there, as part of the international peacekeeping force, made effectively powerless they watched as up to 2 million people died in the violence surrounding partition. To a not insignificant extent the philosophy behind partition is what led to the current state of extreme Hindu Nationalism.

      As far as Norman Bethune is concerned, while Mao is certainly a problematic character, Bethune was a selfless & highly principled person who first served in the Spanish Civil War and then later in China during the Manchurian War with Japan. His contributions to surgery and field medicine go well beyond the two years he spent in China, but regardless, he is considered a hero of the Chinese people, not some mere Maoist functionary as John B implies.

    • Ephraim 08:42 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      @Ian – I’m sure there are plenty of people upset that Wallenberg saved Jews. Even he isn’t free of someone hating him.

    • Meezly 09:37 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      “Gandhi and Macdonald were not perfect, but they made major and important contributions. We should celebrate their achievements while also remembering their failings.”

      Of course no leader is 100% perfect. They were a product of their times and may have had political beliefs that are now wrong. Uh huh fine. I just kind of draw the line at leaders who, y’know, had some genocidal leanings. I would think that is enough to question their major contributions. Esp. when those contributions were made to benefit only specific groups of people at the expense of many people’s lives.

    • JaneyB 12:10 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      Maybe we should stick to public art (eg: no notables). Sometimes people hate it but that’s about it.

    • Ian 21:04 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      Honestly, monuments are some of the most boring public art we can have – that’s why when there are sculptures to commemorate anything we almost never have statues anymore. Maybe this is a quaint artifact of the past that we should just let go of when it becomes cringy.
      For those who cry “HISTORY”, we have a Nelson’s column in Montreal but I am certain that very, very few people know who Lord Nelson was let alone why there is a column let alone why in fact he is important to the history of Montreal. At least some generic art sculpture would be prettier and more visually interesting.

    • Kate 23:06 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      There are nice carvings of ships around the base of our Nelson’s column, and I like the fact that Montreal’s is older than London’s, although not as old as Glasgow’s. Wikipedia also informs me our Nelson’s Column is the oldest monument in the city and oldest war monument in Canada.

      This Le Devoir article (which I link in an item above) mentions how in 1963 the FLQ blew up Wolfe’s column on the Plains of Abraham and a statue of Queen Victoria in Quebec City similar to ours in Victoria Square, but they never got around to blowing up our Nelson’s Column like the Irish did with the one in Dublin.

  • Kate 09:38 on 2020-08-31 Permalink | Reply  

    The city site has a piece on the Lebanese who came here in the 1970s and established businesses that are now part of the landscape, like Marché Adonis, although a footnote mentions that the Syrian community was already here doing business at the turn of the last century.

     
    • Ian 17:31 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      I wonder if that’s why the few “Lebanese” restaurants in Toronto are mostly owned and run by Syrians.

    • Kate 18:27 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

      Well, there were definitely Syrians in Canada quite a long time ago. Do you remember the little Syrian food store next to the Monument National? Went away when the block was torn down, but it had been there for decades. I’ve also seen a photo of a store on St-Hubert in the 1940s called Ayoub’s, offering “spécialités orientaux” back when Oriental meant the eastern end of the Mediterranean, not the Far East.

    • Ian 08:16 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      Orientalism in art generally means a romantic version of the Ottoman empire, too. “Tales from a Thousand and One Nights/ Ingres paintings of concubines” kind of thing.

    • JaneyB 12:16 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

      Speaking of food and Syrians…a very excellent cookbook by a Syrian-Canadian whose family was farming in Saskatchewan during the Depression: https://www.amazon.ca/FfromThe-Lands-Olives-Habeeb-Salloum/dp/156656414X
      Apparently, they were not the only ones either!

  • Kate 09:32 on 2020-08-31 Permalink | Reply  

    Mayor Plante said last week she didn’t want to use force to break up the tent city, but Monday’s news is that police could be sent in anyway.

     
    • Kate 09:06 on 2020-08-31 Permalink | Reply  

      Le Devoir springs off the demolition of the Rapido building earlier this summer for a discussion of façadism around town. Some good photos of examples of this questionable architectural practice.

       
      • CE 10:13 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

        I’m surprised that buildings in that style were still being built into the 1940s. I thought that the mansard roofs and all the ornamentation had died out by then.

      • JoeNotCharles 10:41 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

        Of those images:

        #2 looks ridiculous, being able to see right through it

        #5 is borderline. You can’t really tell from the angle in the photograph how obvious it is that this is just a facade, but I know from seeing it in person that it’s clearly just a shell. It’s not as bad looking as #2 though, so I’m divided on whether it’s stupid or interesting in this case.

        #1 I like, because it’s a freestanding structure it feels like a solid building that’s there for architectural interest, not just a facade. I wouldn’t want this to become a huge trend though – once or twice it’s interesting (especially if they keep a different part of the church in each instance) but if every project has a bit of church sticking out it will stop being original.

        #4 I wouldn’t even call facade-ism – these buildings are still in use. Great use of the existing style IMHO. (Not a big fan of the blocky look of the new condo behind it but keeping the older houses mitigates that a bit.)

        #2 and #6 – Can’t really tell since they’re still under construction but it looks like the facades are going to be integrated into the new buildings like in #4, not slapped on like #2 and #5, so looks fine to me.

      • DeWolf 11:09 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

        CE, I’m thinking there’s something wonky with the rôle foncier’s entry on that building. I have come across other buildings that are clearly quite old but have strangely recent construction dates listed in the rôle.

      • DeWolf 11:12 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

        I’ve always thought the most egregious examples of façadism were the old façades glued to the St-Antoine side of the Palais des Congrès.

      • Kate 11:45 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

        JoeNotCharles, they did something similar to #2 in my neighbourhood. Like École Baril, École Saint-Gérard had to be razed to the ground after decades of neglect, so they put up a brand new building and preserved a stone arch from the original façade in the same way, separated from the building, more like a piece of sculpture than an architectural element.

      • CE 12:45 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

        @DeWolf, I used to think the same thing until they put up that building on St-Laurent between Café Cléopâtre and the Monument National.

      • DeWolf 13:34 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

        I know those are controversial but at least an attempt was made to recontextualize them, rather than pretending they’re still the same old buildings that existed before.

    • Kate 09:01 on 2020-08-31 Permalink | Reply  

      Police broke up what’s described here as a large rulebreaking party in Hochelaga-Maisonneuve on Sunday evening.

       
      • Kate 08:33 on 2020-08-31 Permalink | Reply  

        The École supérieure de ballet du Québec has its eye on Saint-Denis church, on Laurier near the metro, a plan in which church activities would continue in the basement while a lot of money is spent fixing up and enlarging the church for dance classes and practice space.

        I suppose we have to do something with these church buildings, and people might as well practise their fouettés as anything.

         
        • walkerp 08:46 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

          Very bizarre article. It’s all about the ballet school having this big plan but not a single word from the Fabrique of the church itself. And what about the existing tenants in the presbytere. Odd way to write an article.

        • MistaP 09:05 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

          They should wait a little bit.
          Cirque du Soleil’s HQ should soon be available.

        • Kate 18:29 on 2020-08-31 Permalink

          MistaP, this city will always need a clown school.

        • Ian 08:27 on 2020-09-01 Permalink

          École Nationale de cirque exists independent of Cirque du Soleil, no worries there. Cirque was a very bug employer but there are many other small troupes even just in Montreal.

          Breathe a sigh of relief, there is no danger of a clown shortage in Montreal.

      • Kate 08:27 on 2020-08-31 Permalink | Reply  

        I had no idea anyone was thinking of putting Robert Poëti up to run for mayor until I saw this Radio-Canada piece about how he’s saying he’d rather not.

         
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