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  • Kate 20:23 on 2020-10-05 Permalink | Reply  

    Quebec has given the Covid app the nod so now we’re hooked up.

    I listened to the Legault presser at 5. Journalists were quizzing him about the Joyce Echaquan case more than on the state of Covid or the app.

    Some interesting highlights from his statements:

    1. He had an indigenous great-great-grandmother so he gets along with indigenous people.
    2. We don’t have racism in Quebec, because racism is an American thing connected with their enslavement of Black people.
    3. There is no systemic, or systematic, racism in Quebec.

    A lot of Québécois folks – hell, a lot of white North Americans – have a family legend of indigenous ancestry, but we know it’s often unprovable and the genetic contribution of a great-great-grandmother would be tiny anyway. Someone made a point of researching city hall’s first “indigenous” spokesperson to discredit her claim of being of some amount of indigenous descent; it shouldn’t be hard to work out Legault’s ancestry, since so much work has already been done on Quebec family lines. I’d put $20 on him being pure laine, or if he’s not 100% French he might have one Irish or Scots ancestor, but not an indigenous one.

    The “racism is American” line reminded me of the Christian Rioux column in July where he scolded Quebec’s Haitian community for trying to be Black like Americans. First of all, leaving aside the issue that there was slavery here at one time, there isn’t only one kind of racism, and the U.S. having a glaring problem with racism doesn’t absolve other countries and cultures from having their own issues based on different historical factors.

    As for systemic vs systematic, I really do think Legault thinks systemic racism means it would be written down in a rulebook somewhere that you have to despise other cultures and treat them badly, and since it’s not like that, it’s not official, it doesn’t exist, and Quebec is in the clear. I think he really does. I don’t know how he can’t grasp that attitudes like those shown at the Joliette hospital are ingrained, handed down in a workplace in a whole package of nasty looks, expressions, remarks, snickers, jokes, disobliging assumptions. But someone has to get this across to the man.

     
    • Tim F 06:35 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      The position of premier’s powers and responsibilities are not established by any law or constitution, but by convention. http://www.assnat.qc.ca/fr/patrimoine/lexique/premier-ministre.html

      Therefore the premier has no systemic power.

    • dwgs 09:38 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      I thought it was telling that when he spoke in English he said “we don’t have a system of racism…” Maybe it’s just a bad translation but I immediately thought that he didn’t really understand the concept.

    • Meezly 10:51 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      I think so too, Kate. Legault is clearly confusing systemic racism with systematic racism.

      These concepts are really not that hard to grasp. It’s not like brain surgery nor advanced physics. Neither is making logical and consistent safeguard measures for schools during the pandemic.

    • JaneyB 10:59 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      Frustrating. I think ‘habitual racism’ or ‘discrimination’ would probably make more sense to someone of his generation. Legault also has a business and accounting background – he’s not going to be conversant with words or concepts like ‘systemic racism’ or ‘intersectionality’ or ‘implicit bias’. It might seem like these are standard but I’m often surprised at how niche they are. Every Quebecois gets ‘discrimination’ however, so I would build off that to make reforms.

    • Jack 11:07 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      He understands the concept. It is simple, his base see’s itself as the perpetual “colonisé”, in that historical position they are the perpetual victims. It is a status that has fuelled the nationalist movement since the late 50’s. It was written up best by Denis Vaugeois in his White Paper describing why Quebecers should vote Yes in the 80 referendum. Almost all the nationalist rationale was built in a “trail of tears” narrative of perpetual exploitation and discrimination. So Legault simply can not state that systemic racism could possibly a part of Quebec’s reality.
      I am looking forward to reading this and maybe at some level a new generation is building another story. https://ici.radio-canada.ca/premiere/emissions/plus-on-est-de-fous-plus-on-lit/segments/entrevue/197828/alain-deneault-bande-de-colons

    • Meezly 12:04 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      That’s a good point. Whether or not he understands is besides the point. He simply cannot state that because his base is not able to make that logical leap. What a handy way to deny systemic racism. Pierre Vallières has influenced this Quebec mindset for decades yet that book of his is fairly ridiculed outside of this province. This cognitive dissonance will be Quebec’s downfall in this age of Black Lives Matter. But then again, nationalism is also making a comeback. People are seeing Joyce Echaquan as Quebec’s George Floyd. It will be interesting to see how the international spotlight on Quebec will have any influence on Legault because he does seem to be playing both sides at the moment.

    • Michael Black 12:18 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      Legault has invoked the equivalent of “some of my best friends are Black, but…”

      Things can’t be bad because there was intermarriage in his family. But whether it happened,he hasn’t used this factoid to view racism in a different light, or to take this exception to change how he views the world. He’s presented it seemingly to deny racism, which in this case is not just to say “I’m not racist”, but “we aren’t a racist society”

      One of the things People don’t like is that people with some family history decide it gives license to spout off. Not only do they not bother to find out the real family history, but it’s usually stereotypes that they mentioned, based on that supposed ancestry. If they took it seriously enough to find that family history, they’d have no choice but to rethink a lot.

      Someone will trace his family history, because he’s just opened himself up. People will be curious, and apparently more curious than he is. There’s a maybe relative in BC who is outright native, she told a newspaper that she’s related to my family, her mother is into genealogy.

      One thing, the intermarriages are mostly early. Before white women came over. So in Quebec, a long time ago. And given the Mohawk woman who became a saint, I suspect the church kept a tight grip and any native women had to convert to Catholicism first. It was the traders and “explorers”, away from any European mass, who were most likely to marry, and do so on native terms. So it would have happened early in the east, and happened later in the west, but still proceeding settlers. In Red River, all the “good families” had native relatives, except as more people from the east arrived, they imposed racism. After Manitoba came into confederation, the Metis lost their power.

      The recentness of Legault’s ancestry seems dubious. I can imagine some relative further back, but he should know before invoking.

      But, it’s not about DNA, it’s about relationship.

      And yes, there was a recent article about language where the quote from someone sounded identical to what People say about native languages. Except if only 150 people are fluent in which language, it’s not the same as French disappearing.

    • GC 13:24 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      Even if it’s true about his ancestor, he’s almost proving the point. She was “indigenous”? Was that how specific he was? Does he mean First Nations? Has he bothered to learn which nation or anything about their culture/language?

  • Kate 17:03 on 2020-10-05 Permalink | Reply  

    It’s very odd, but I have the CTV Montreal web screen up for the 5 pm Quebec Covid presser, which has not yet begun, and they’re playing the CBC Montreal radio audio feed. I couldn’t figure for a minute which browser tab it was coming from. (I usually have 3 different browsers open, occasionally 4.)

    .,.I see that CTV had a network outage Monday afternoon, might have been that.

     
    • Kevin 21:12 on 2020-10-05 Permalink

      CBC was the pool feed today. Many planned events lately are pool feeds because of the pandemic.

    • Kate 09:21 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      Thanks for the explanation.

  • Kate 16:52 on 2020-10-05 Permalink | Reply  

    A reader sent me this link to a Dan Bilefsky piece in the New York Times about Kamala Harris and her time in Montreal which tells how Harris hated the place and was glad to get back stateside. I wonder if she even remembers any of the folks Bilefsky found who claim to have known her.

    (I can see the whole article without a subscription, apologies if a paywall comes up for anyone.)

     
    • Meezly 09:40 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      I didn’t get that impression from reading the article at all. Harris experienced culture shock moving from sunny CA to wintry Mtl, but I didn’t read anything about her hating it there. Yes, the whole time she was longing for home, but it seemed like she had made the most of her time there so it came off as proof of her resilience and fortitude. I liked the part where Harris and her mom sheltered a friend in their home because the friend was being abused by her stepdad. I’m sure Harris would have remembered her.

    • CE 09:43 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      I just finished the article and got the sense of someone who missed home while still having a good time here. Also, the only source they use is her memoir where she may have played up her homesickness a bit so as to not be accused of not loving America by her opponents. A memoir written at that stage of a politician’s life is more of a political document than anything else.

    • Jack 11:10 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      Also let’s be honest no political biography in the United States can move even an inch from American exceptionalism. If you ever want to see something funny, see John Kerry’s political handlers faces when he spoke French.

  • Kate 12:11 on 2020-10-05 Permalink | Reply  

    The original plans for the Glen superhospital involved moving the Montreal General and the Neuro to the Glen site. This idea was abandoned (this piece reminds us, at a time when François Legault was PQ health minister) but now is in play again because the projected cost of renovating the existing General has skyrocketed.

     
    • Ephraim 17:34 on 2020-10-05 Permalink

      Hard to have an opinion when we really don’t know if it would have any synergy, what the costs associated with moving things, stocking things and even running separate computer systems are. I think McGill may have finally gone to one card, but at one time you had to have 3 different cards depending on which hospital you were dealing with.

      We also don’t know the costs for the government for renovating versus the fees for the PPP. We would have to see much more data to have a real opinion… otherwise we are in the Dunning-Kruger area, where we should know that we don’t know enough to really have an opinion that’s actually educated.

  • Kate 09:07 on 2020-10-05 Permalink | Reply  

    Everyone’s reporting that Quebec is going to be tightening red zone restrictions in response to growing numbers of Covid infections. CTV lists why Covid numbers may get much worse over the next while.

    La Presse looks into studies of whether public transit is hazardous: the takeaway, not surprisingly, is that it depends how long you’re aboard, and whether you happen to sit near someone contagious.

    Update: 1191 new cases in Quebec over the last 24 hours.

     
    • DeWolf 10:49 on 2020-10-05 Permalink

      The most interesting thing in the La Presse article is the observation that the metro is extremely well ventilated because it forces a high volume of air through the train carriages, unlike air-conditioned trains that recirculate air. I seriously doubt that sitting on a metro train for 30 minutes is any more dangerous than grocery shopping for the same amount of time.

    • Kate 10:54 on 2020-10-05 Permalink

      So theoretically, if I did want to go downtown from Villeray, better to take the metro than the 55 bus. Useful data, although I’m not planning to go there anytime soon.

      This is, as I’ve said, the longest period of my life I’ve spent without setting foot on Ste‑Catherine Street. I also haven’t been in the metro since sometime in early March. It’s like I’ve moved somewhere else without going anywhere.

    • Blork 11:03 on 2020-10-05 Permalink

      Yeah, I haven’t been on a bus or Metro since mid-March. I’ve been on Ste-Catherine West a handful of times and it’s just weird. Only one lane of traffic (and one lane of cars illegally parked in the temporary no-parking lane). Another car lane given over to pedestrians who largely don’t use it. Stores open but not many people in them when I was there last (2 weeks ago?). It feels so abnormal and at the same time it feels way more normal than you would expect, so it’s disorienting.

    • Kevin 11:20 on 2020-10-05 Permalink

      I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re better off on the bus: fewer people and the windows are open. Non-compliance with mask-wearing seems to be a lot higher on the metro.

      That said I haven’t taken any public transit since March. I relied on Communauto for a week or two until I got my motorcycle on the road. Last week I bought a pandemic car to get me through this winter.

      I suspect that if we have more people using the Covid Alert app, we’ll find more transmission on public transit — we know that it’s in the community, after all.

    • EmilyG 12:01 on 2020-10-05 Permalink

      I wonder if changing your seat on the metro during a trip is more, or less, hazardous.

      I used to take public transit all the time, and get the opus card every month. Now, I don’t even know when was the last time I knew where my Opus card was. I’ve occasionally, umm, sneaked onto local buses when I couldn’t walk far. But yeah, these days I’m limited to going within walking distance of my home.

    • Max 13:08 on 2020-10-05 Permalink

      @Kevin: Unfortunately the newest batch of buses don’t let you open the window. I don’t like that development at all.

    • GC 15:28 on 2020-10-05 Permalink

      Kevin, if you haven’t been on public transit then how do you know what the compliance rate is? I haven’t been on a bus since March, so I can’t comment on that. In my sparse rides on the metro, however the compliance rate has been very good since the rule came into effect. There are a few exceptions, of course, and the usual nose exhibitionists. But the vast majority have been masking up.

      It does feel like air circulates better in the newer trains versus the old ones. The air still feels so stagnant in most of the stations, however. I suppose there’s more space there, however, and one tends to mostly be on the move when in the station–other than maybe waiting on the platform for the next train.

    • Kevin 23:19 on 2020-10-05 Permalink

      GC
      I have colleagues, friends, and a daughter who take public transit.

      They all mention that there are more people on the metro who have their nose hanging out—which means they aren’t wearing a mask and might as well be naked.

    • Raymond Lutz 07:18 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      @GC “have their nose hanging out —which means they aren’t wearing a mask and might as well be naked”

      Non, expirer par le nez génère moins d’aérosols que par la bouche lorsqu’on parle, donc un nez découvert est moins pire que pas de masque du tout (et pour protéger le porteur, il faut un N95 de tout façon). Dans les bus, si les gens sont silencieux ça compense pour la plus faible ventilation. Dans les stations de métro, le passage régulier des wagons dans les tunnels aide probablement à une dilution bénéfique de la charge virale s’il y a.

      “I wonder if changing your seat on the metro during a trip is more, or less, hazardous.” EmilyG, IIRC, aucun cas de transmission attribuable à de seuls fomites (surfaces infectées) n’a été recensé DANS LE MONDE ENTIER: covid-19 is airborn (and 2 m is useless indoor).

      If you want to evaluate your exposure risk when sharing closed space with contaminated people, there’s an app for that™

      https://rapidqmra.shinyapps.io/Rapid_QMRA/

    • GC 08:17 on 2020-10-06 Permalink

      Thanks, Raymond. I am frustrated by people who don’t cover their noses, as it’s such a simple thing to do. BUT, it has to be better to have just the mouth covered than nothing covered, as you said.

      I continue to be perplexed by the people who will wear a mask properly for their ride on the actual train and then yank the mask off once they are on the platform in the metro station. You’re still indoors. WTF.

      Kevin, thanks for clarifying. As I said, I haven’t been on a bus. It’s also not like I’ve collected tons of data on the metro. It might depend on the time, day, etc.

  • Kate 08:54 on 2020-10-05 Permalink | Reply  

    CBC has a podcast about the incidents leading up to the October Crisis. October 1970 is long enough ago that people may have forgotten, or never known, that the incidents of that month were not an isolated outbreak. A series of robberies and bombings had taken place in and around Montreal in the 1960s as the nascent FLQ stole money and guns and blew up people who signified federal oppression, like postal workers.

    Here’s a Wikipedia timeline of those attacks from 1963 onward. Along with the podcast, CBC has this long piece profiling François Schirm, who masterminded a gun store robbery for the FLQ in 1964.

     
    • Kate 08:36 on 2020-10-05 Permalink | Reply  

      Mask machines are turning up in metro stations: this piece mentions the machines also sell hand sanitizer and gloves, but there’s no info about pricing, and nothing about whether the STM is still giving away masks for free.

       
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