Dubé delays vaccine mandate a month
Christian Dubé has delayed the healthcare workers’ vaccine mandate by a month. Will people unwilling to be vaccinated change their minds in four weeks, or is he just putting off the inevitable?
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dhomas 12:39 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
They were both playing chicken and the government lost.
John B 12:42 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
I saw on the news there’s a good chunk of nurses that have 1 shot, maybe he wants them to get their 2nd, then the pain won’t be so bad.
Also, it looks like the various professional orders are still suspending members who don’t get vaccinated by Friday, unless they change their minds too, so some people won’t be able to work even with this decision.
jeather 12:54 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
We all just lost in this game of chicken. Wonder what happened in the past 24 hours.
Love this quote, which is meaningless as it could be used just as easily to explain why he is keeping the mandate: “The risk right now is too high, and it would be irresponsible to roll the dice with the health of Quebecers”
jeather 12:55 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
One less horrible choice would have been to say that if you’ve had ONE dose by the 15th, you can keep working as long as you get your second dose by Nov 15. But no.
Em 13:31 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
One issue that was raised was that the government’s decree didn’t give workers enough time to get two shots (plus the requisite waiting time required to be considered fully vaccinated) by the time it came into effect. Last week Dubé said that 300-400 health workers were still getting a first shot each day.
jeather 13:41 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
Then you announce “300-400 workers are still getting first shots, so the mandate is first shot by Oct 15”. Now they won’t be able to have any other mandates because everyone knows the government will blink first.
Kevin 14:47 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
THE ANTI-VAXXERS ARE IN THE ASSEMBLEE NATIONALE.
Kevin 14:55 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
But seriously, I think this is a reaction to Legault’s personal popularity dropping ten percentage points since June. He’s still one of the most popular premiers in the country (tied with BC’s Horgan and Newfoundland’s Furey) but Legault governs by opinion polls.
jeather 15:53 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
Really hope this causes his popularity to crash more.
Ephraim 15:56 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
Putting off the inevitable. Arrange walk-throughs in the COVID units. It’s just not hitting home for these people and only seeing it of being exposed to it will get through their heads.
mare 17:15 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
Despite relatively low case numbers compared to our neighbours south and out west Montreal’s ERs are still very far over capacity.
https://www.indexsante.ca/urgences/#Montreal
Why are people on stretchers in the hallways? Because there are no beds to move patients to. Losing thousands of nurses will be devastating.
Chris 18:36 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
Wow, y’all are really overestimating the risk, and indeed we humans are bad at risk analysis. Air pollution kills twice as many people *every year* as covid has grand total. Yet you’re all bent out of shape over this, but probably never give a second thought to air pollution.
96% of heath care workers are vaccinated, and they all wear PPE, plus *you* are vaccinated. Your chance of catching covid, let alone suffering serious consequences, is vanishingly small.
Better to have a tiny risk of an unvaccinated nurse, than to have *no nurse at all*. Government made the right calculation here, good on them.
Max 18:37 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
The vaxtard nurses are a particularly evil part of the overall vaxtard problem. My landlord was diagnosed with cancer the other day. Thankfully, he’s been given a slot in the ER Friday to have his prostate removed. At Lakeshore General two operating rooms have closed so that nurses can be reassigned elsewhere. There’s a secondary death toll that’s quietly rising thanks to deferred medical care caused by these idiots that don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves.
Do your best to stay healthy, kids. Our health care system’s under serious pressure.
qatzelok 19:06 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
Max, it’s interesting that you use the word “tard” to describe nurses.
They DO work in the medical profession.
Kate 19:27 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
Not thrilled about “tard”, Max. Please leave that out in future.
But qatzelok, the fact that these deniers work in the medical field, and must have had several years’ training to get a nursing licence, and yet remain boneheaded about vaccination, that does tend to put them in the less than intellectually gifted category.
As someone pointed out here not long ago (I can’t find the comment because we’ve had so many discussions about vaccination issues), nurses are obliged to have a whole list of other immunizations anyway. It isn’t optional to have your MMR, tetanus, hepatitis, and other shots. So what’s the problem?!
jeather 20:46 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
Nursing gets its share of women who would be otherwise be cops for the power it gives them over other people.
Kate 20:48 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
jeather, I, and two of my good friends, have (or have had) sisters who were nurses.
And you never said a truer word.
(To be fair, I couldn’t do a nurse’s job for five minutes, but some of them are battleaxes.)
MarcG 20:57 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
Yikes
steph 21:12 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
Wheno only”9 out of 10 dentists agree”, how do you convince that last one? You pull his license and you’re left with “100% of dentists agree”
It seems easier to dismiss these nurses then as dumb, than to listen to them. Our medical system has been under pressure for years since before Covid. IMHO there’s been an ongoig agenda to privitize healthcare by sabotaging the public system. You’d think these educated nurses that aren’t interested in getting vaccinated might know something. Is it illigal yet to publish articles aganist covid vaccination?
Kevin 21:14 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
I once attended a child care class taught by a nurse who said breast milk contains embryos. And I have known many nurses who disliked getting vaccines because they felt bad the next day (which is why you know it’s working, duh). So i don’t exactly put a lot of stock in the medical training of nurses.
That said, it’s not just nurses. There are PABs, orderlies, secretaries…
Kate 21:15 on 2021-10-13 Permalink
steph, because nurses have legitimate complaints – understaffing and mandatory overtime are rife – it doesn’t follow that the anti-vaxxers among them have any credibility about vaccination.
dmdiem 07:41 on 2021-10-14 Permalink
85% of the eligible population has had the covid vaccine. You know what the vaccination rate for chicken pox is? 83%.
We’ve done a fantastic job. Everyone should be patting themselves on the back. Instead you’re all running around like chicken little. Acting as if only three people have been vaccinated and 99% of the population are anti-vaxxers hiding behind every bush waiting to pounce out and cough in your face. Stop it. Just stop.
As proud as I am of all of you, unfortunately I’ve got some bad news. There’s every indication that covid has joined the ranks of the other corona viruses and is now endemic. That means, vaccinated or not, everyone will catch covid eventually. Everyone. But the good news is that since you’ve been vaccinated, your chance of dying or even getting very sick is extremely low. Congratulations.
But instead of being happy for a job well done, you’re screaming that if only a few hundred more nurses get vaccinated then the pandemic will finally be over! Well, it’s not. Ever. No amount of mandates, passports, masks or distancing will change that.
This is as good as it gets.
So my advice to you is… pour yourself a nice glass of wine, curl up with a good book and stop acting like fucking crazy people.
Kate 09:09 on 2021-10-14 Permalink
This topic has raised far more hackles than anything on this blog in years.
dmdiem, keep in mind there are 2 huge problems with healthcare workers: 1. they are likely to be working around people in a weakened immune state and 2. they should know better. This is why the issue is at the forefront.
Kevin 09:43 on 2021-10-14 Permalink
Dmdiem
22,000 unvaccinated health workers
If you’re going to downplay it, use the right number.
steph 10:04 on 2021-10-14 Permalink
Sept 9th 2021: “Among the public sector, 92 per cent of workers have received one dose and 88 per cent have received two.”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-health-care-workers-unvaccinated-1.6168812
can anyone find the current percenteges?
General population statistics: https://covid19tracker.ca/provincevac.html?p=QC
74.634% of all people in Quebec are fully vaccinated
Mark Côté 14:52 on 2021-10-14 Permalink
89.3%/84.0% for the eligible Quebec population according to CBC.
MarcG 15:38 on 2021-10-14 Permalink
Covid diary – day 582: Lots of big feels, cursing.
@steph: I had found some stat tables a few weeks ago that showed vaccination rates specifically in the health sector, broken down by job type, but now I can’t find it. I could have sworn I posted a link on this site as well but the search doesn’t find anything.