There are roving bands of these critters in the East end, too. We spot them on the way to my kids’ school in RDP almost daily. And they’re growing in numbers. Our sightings are so frequent that my kids have come up with a code-word to use for a sighting: “turk-alert”. (Kids are funny and weird)
I’m more worried about a different “invasion” I noticed yesterday, but didn’t really see reported in the news anywhere. Did anyone see an airplane banner in the sky yesterday with the message “Allez Brandon “?
Looks like my post contained some formatting that made part of it disappear. The airplane banner said “Allez Brandon (website I don’t want to link to)”.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with this story. I just didn’t find it reported anywhere, so I attached myself to the “invasion” theme of your post.
So, this social media website, g e t t r . c o m, was hoping to land Trump on their platform, since he’s been deplatformed everywhere else. He announced that he was starting his own network, so this company went on a marketing blitz to stay relevant. The slogan they’re using, “Let’s Go Brandon” is a euphemism for “Fuck Joe Biden”. This kind of marketing only works (and is sometimes overlooked/ignored) because only the people “who are in the know” will understand it.
Except, we’re in Canada. And Joe Biden is not president here. So, keep your far right bullshit to yourselves. And that explains the (admittedly loose) invasion angle.
And the sign flew over Montreal all day, which explains the Montreal angle.
>Except, we’re in Canada. … So, keep your far right bullshit to yourselves.
So, basically, you’re against Canada having free speech. At least for sentiments you disagree with. If they were flying code for “Fuck Trump” would you be here telling them to keep their far left bullshit to themselves? Somehow I doubt it.
Good lord. If I’d seen that I might’ve thought it was something to do with a sports team from Brandon, Manitoba. I don’t even understand why Joe Biden can be mocked with “Let’s Go Brandon” at all.
Which POTUS hasn’t been “bullied”? The right to criticize, even mercilessly, political leaders is fundamental to free speech and democracy, and sets us apart from places like China, Saudi, Russia, etc.
My point wasn’t that people shouldn’t be allowed to criticise the POTUS. My point is, why should we care, in Canada? To me, it’s an American problem. Why are the people behind this site trying to import it here?
Also, I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth, Chris. “basically, you’re against Canada having free speech”. I never, ever said that. Also, what many people who chant “free speech” don’t understand is that, though you do have freedom of speech (technically, freedom of expression in Canada), it does not mean you have freedom of consequence. What you say can and should have consequences.
>My point wasn’t that people shouldn’t be allowed to criticise the POTUS.
OK. I guess I misunderstood your point then.
>Why are the people behind this site trying to import it here?
Presumably, because the US is highly influential on Canada. The previous POTUS influenced our lives with trade tariffs, scrapping NAFTA, etc. We are affected by every move of the elephant as it were.
>Also, I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth, Chris. “basically, you’re against Canada having free speech”. I never, ever said that.
You said “keep your far right bullshit to yourselves.” Saying to “keep something to yourself” means to not speak, doesn’t it?
>What you say can and should have consequences.
Yup, I agree. In fact, that’s often the point. To provoke public debate as a consequence.
Expressing a personal desire for someone to keep something to themselves isn’t the same as wanting them silenced by the government. That’s a very dramatic reading.
dhomas, when I said above “why would it be relevant here?” I meant why would that phrase have any relevance in Canada, not why would your remark have any relevance on this blog.
I’ve yet to see a wild turkey. This summer was the first time I even saw a raccoon in my immediate neighbourhood, and we don’t get visits from coyote or deer either.
Free speech has limits and consequences. It always has. Pretending it hasn’t is a sign the person presenting the argument is acting in bad faith.
If you uttered nonsense in a bar, you’d be told to shut up and stop being an idiot. But because the same nonsense is uttered online, that somehow makes it sacrosanct? Get real.
People can say almost anything they want — but nobody has to put up with it, associate with the speaker, or even deal with them.
Say what you want, but don’t you dare act surprised that the people you’ve upset take action.
@Kate I misunderstood your original comment about being relevant here. Your reaction was similar to my own. How does it make sense to use this kind of slogan here? And apparently, they did the same thing in Italy (Andiamo Brandon) and Brazil (Vamos Brandon). I’m realizing now that we might be bringing unwanted attention to your blog with all these key words.
@Kevin: thank you. This is pretty much what I was trying to express.
I’d pay good money to get an entire newsfeed that never mentioned that the US existed at all. Just let me blissfully have an entire world where I could be just ignorant of the entire US, it’s politics and everything else shitty about a country that can’t see that liberty can also mean to be free of hearing about any of this shitty politics forever as well.
Ephraim, if you use Reddit at all, the /r/worldnews sub is pretty good, because it’s defined as “major news from around the world except US-internal news / US politics.”
@Kate – It was more about the America “Free speech” and “Liberty” nonsense. Anti-vaxers aren’t about free speech and liberty at all. It’s simply a reframing of their anti-science nonsense in the realm of calling it free speech and liberty. And Liberty has two meanings…. they want to be “free” to not vaccinate and I want to be “free” to not worry about sitting next to them because they are more likely in fact, upwards of 15x, to be plague carriers. They are both freedoms or liberties. I am not discriminating against them because of a protected class… I’m discriminating against them because they present a danger to me, just as a man with a gun presents a danger to me. And making a choice to not get vaccinated doesn’t indemnify you of the consequences of that decision.
Take for a example, the police, who now claim that they don’t want to be vaccinated and are fighting the city’s mandate https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/will-a-city-mandate-cause-thousands-of-unvaccinated-l-a-cops-to-walk-off-the-job-were-about-to-find-out-1237989/ but yet, COVID is the leading cause of police deaths in the last year. They forever want more money for weapons, armour and vehicles and yet the number 1 killer is… COVID and they don’t want to be protected from COVID. It’s beyond stupid. And, I’m just tired of hearing the stories that are framing this to be about liberty and freedom. No one doing that in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s or even until the last few years. It was a fringe group, like the flat earthers. And it still should be. It isn’t based on science, health or even intelligence. And I’m tired of the fact that we even have to hear about this as a logical argument…. because It isn’t a logical argument. You don’t want to vaccinate… fine, don’t vaccinate. But don’t expect to be allowed to be part of society either. Just make your choice and shut the F up and live with your damn choice.
dhomas 04:38 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
There are roving bands of these critters in the East end, too. We spot them on the way to my kids’ school in RDP almost daily. And they’re growing in numbers. Our sightings are so frequent that my kids have come up with a code-word to use for a sighting: “turk-alert”. (Kids are funny and weird)
dhomas 07:33 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
I’m more worried about a different “invasion” I noticed yesterday, but didn’t really see reported in the news anywhere. Did anyone see an airplane banner in the sky yesterday with the message “Allez Brandon “?
dhomas 09:10 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
Looks like my post contained some formatting that made part of it disappear. The airplane banner said “Allez Brandon (website I don’t want to link to)”.
Kate 09:36 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
I had no idea what this was about and even after reading this I still don’t. Why would it be relevant here?
dhomas 09:50 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
Yeah, it has nothing to do with this story. I just didn’t find it reported anywhere, so I attached myself to the “invasion” theme of your post.
So, this social media website, g e t t r . c o m, was hoping to land Trump on their platform, since he’s been deplatformed everywhere else. He announced that he was starting his own network, so this company went on a marketing blitz to stay relevant. The slogan they’re using, “Let’s Go Brandon” is a euphemism for “Fuck Joe Biden”. This kind of marketing only works (and is sometimes overlooked/ignored) because only the people “who are in the know” will understand it.
Except, we’re in Canada. And Joe Biden is not president here. So, keep your far right bullshit to yourselves. And that explains the (admittedly loose) invasion angle.
And the sign flew over Montreal all day, which explains the Montreal angle.
Chris 10:23 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
>Except, we’re in Canada. … So, keep your far right bullshit to yourselves.
So, basically, you’re against Canada having free speech. At least for sentiments you disagree with. If they were flying code for “Fuck Trump” would you be here telling them to keep their far left bullshit to themselves? Somehow I doubt it.
Kate 10:23 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
Good lord. If I’d seen that I might’ve thought it was something to do with a sports team from Brandon, Manitoba. I don’t even understand why Joe Biden can be mocked with “Let’s Go Brandon” at all.
How weird.
Kate 10:24 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
Chris, your contrarianism gets a little tiresome. It’s not free speech, it’s bullying.
Chris 10:24 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
Kate, imagine it as a sports chant: “Fuck Joe Biden” sounds like “Let’s Go Brandon”.
Chris 10:29 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
Which POTUS hasn’t been “bullied”? The right to criticize, even mercilessly, political leaders is fundamental to free speech and democracy, and sets us apart from places like China, Saudi, Russia, etc.
dhomas 10:32 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
My point wasn’t that people shouldn’t be allowed to criticise the POTUS. My point is, why should we care, in Canada? To me, it’s an American problem. Why are the people behind this site trying to import it here?
dhomas 10:37 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
Also, I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth, Chris. “basically, you’re against Canada having free speech”. I never, ever said that. Also, what many people who chant “free speech” don’t understand is that, though you do have freedom of speech (technically, freedom of expression in Canada), it does not mean you have freedom of consequence. What you say can and should have consequences.
Chris 10:48 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
>My point wasn’t that people shouldn’t be allowed to criticise the POTUS.
OK. I guess I misunderstood your point then.
>Why are the people behind this site trying to import it here?
Presumably, because the US is highly influential on Canada. The previous POTUS influenced our lives with trade tariffs, scrapping NAFTA, etc. We are affected by every move of the elephant as it were.
>Also, I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth, Chris. “basically, you’re against Canada having free speech”. I never, ever said that.
You said “keep your far right bullshit to yourselves.” Saying to “keep something to yourself” means to not speak, doesn’t it?
>What you say can and should have consequences.
Yup, I agree. In fact, that’s often the point. To provoke public debate as a consequence.
Myles 10:57 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
Expressing a personal desire for someone to keep something to themselves isn’t the same as wanting them silenced by the government. That’s a very dramatic reading.
Kate 11:48 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
My turkey post took a weird turn here.
dhomas 11:56 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
Hah! Sorry about that, Kate!
In turkey-related news, thanks to your post, TIL that wild turkeys, unlike their domesticated cousins, can fly!
Kate 14:11 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
dhomas, when I said above “why would it be relevant here?” I meant why would that phrase have any relevance in Canada, not why would your remark have any relevance on this blog.
I’ve yet to see a wild turkey. This summer was the first time I even saw a raccoon in my immediate neighbourhood, and we don’t get visits from coyote or deer either.
Kevin 15:16 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
Free speech has limits and consequences. It always has. Pretending it hasn’t is a sign the person presenting the argument is acting in bad faith.
If you uttered nonsense in a bar, you’d be told to shut up and stop being an idiot. But because the same nonsense is uttered online, that somehow makes it sacrosanct? Get real.
People can say almost anything they want — but nobody has to put up with it, associate with the speaker, or even deal with them.
Say what you want, but don’t you dare act surprised that the people you’ve upset take action.
dhomas 16:03 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
@Kate I misunderstood your original comment about being relevant here. Your reaction was similar to my own. How does it make sense to use this kind of slogan here? And apparently, they did the same thing in Italy (Andiamo Brandon) and Brazil (Vamos Brandon). I’m realizing now that we might be bringing unwanted attention to your blog with all these key words.
@Kevin: thank you. This is pretty much what I was trying to express.
Ephraim 18:06 on 2021-10-23 Permalink
I’d pay good money to get an entire newsfeed that never mentioned that the US existed at all. Just let me blissfully have an entire world where I could be just ignorant of the entire US, it’s politics and everything else shitty about a country that can’t see that liberty can also mean to be free of hearing about any of this shitty politics forever as well.
Kate 09:54 on 2021-10-24 Permalink
Ephraim, if you use Reddit at all, the /r/worldnews sub is pretty good, because it’s defined as “major news from around the world except US-internal news / US politics.”
Ephraim 14:00 on 2021-10-24 Permalink
@Kate – It was more about the America “Free speech” and “Liberty” nonsense. Anti-vaxers aren’t about free speech and liberty at all. It’s simply a reframing of their anti-science nonsense in the realm of calling it free speech and liberty. And Liberty has two meanings…. they want to be “free” to not vaccinate and I want to be “free” to not worry about sitting next to them because they are more likely in fact, upwards of 15x, to be plague carriers. They are both freedoms or liberties. I am not discriminating against them because of a protected class… I’m discriminating against them because they present a danger to me, just as a man with a gun presents a danger to me. And making a choice to not get vaccinated doesn’t indemnify you of the consequences of that decision.
Take for a example, the police, who now claim that they don’t want to be vaccinated and are fighting the city’s mandate https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/will-a-city-mandate-cause-thousands-of-unvaccinated-l-a-cops-to-walk-off-the-job-were-about-to-find-out-1237989/ but yet, COVID is the leading cause of police deaths in the last year. They forever want more money for weapons, armour and vehicles and yet the number 1 killer is… COVID and they don’t want to be protected from COVID. It’s beyond stupid. And, I’m just tired of hearing the stories that are framing this to be about liberty and freedom. No one doing that in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s or even until the last few years. It was a fringe group, like the flat earthers. And it still should be. It isn’t based on science, health or even intelligence. And I’m tired of the fact that we even have to hear about this as a logical argument…. because It isn’t a logical argument. You don’t want to vaccinate… fine, don’t vaccinate. But don’t expect to be allowed to be part of society either. Just make your choice and shut the F up and live with your damn choice.