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  • Kate 16:59 on 2022-10-07 Permalink | Reply  

    La Presse is warning of steep property tax hikes in the next budget, although city executive council chair Dominique Ollivier promises they won’t go higher than inflation.

    • Ian 18:37 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

      Oh so under 7%. How nice. I wish my pay went up 7% this year (laughs bitterly)
      Still I suppose as climate collapse continues apace we will no doubt see single digit inflation as a charming anachronism within the next few decades.

    • mare 19:12 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

      Even if they keep the same mil rate, because of the 30% (or more) increase in property assessments, prop taxes (and rents) will go up steeply in July. At least most people in Montreal don’t heat their house with natural gas like in Europe, where a lot of people are expected to have to choose between buying food, paying rent or heat their space.

    • Ephraim 10:48 on 2022-10-08 Permalink

      The city always makes this claim that property taxes don’t exceed inflation and it’s just that, a game. They increase the mill rate by inflation but property values exceed it and they raise property values as well. So that 7% is just a dream. And business taxes are 5X the residential rate.. in case you are wondering why the corner depanneur and restaurant is having trouble staying alive

    • steph 11:05 on 2022-10-08 Permalink

      They’ll lower the mil rate to offset the huge increase in property values. The overall tax bill should work out to an inflation increase (to match with their inflation increased costs)

    • dhomas 11:13 on 2022-10-08 Permalink

      My property value went up 38% from last year to this year. 7% is a joke.

    • Ian 15:45 on 2022-10-08 Permalink

      Yes, but what happens when there is an inevitable market correction and your property’s potential resale value goes down?

    • Bryan 17:49 on 2022-10-08 Permalink

      @dhomas Do you mean that the property value used as the basis for your property tax bill went up 38% in one year? Or just that your property appreciated 38% from last year? I’ve owned my current place for 5 years now and my property tax bill has barely moved, which does not track at all with the market value of the property.

    • dhomas 18:27 on 2022-10-08 Permalink

      The value of my property, according to the city valuation, has increased by 38% since last year. So, my effective tax increase is more than 7%. They can say that the tax rate is going up by “only” 7%, but compounded with the property value increase, it’s much more.

    • steph 21:30 on 2022-10-08 Permalink

      @dhomas, the tax rate (mil rate) will go down, resulting in a 7% increase

      the 2021 rate for montreal was $0,6117 per $100 value tps://portail-m4s.s3.montreal.ca/pdf/2021_taux_taxes_montreal_ang.pdf
      The 2022 rate went down to $0,5712 per $100 https://portail-m4s.s3.montreal.ca/pdf/2022_taux_taxes_tableau_ang.pdf

    • dhomas 03:48 on 2022-10-09 Permalink

      Thank you for explaining it so simply, @steph! It seems I may have misinterpreted the article. Thanks for setting me straight! It remains to be seen what the mil rate for 2023 will be.

  • Kate 16:57 on 2022-10-07 Permalink | Reply  

    The word “hedging” comes to mind with the announcement that there will be no police bodycams till next year. The SPVM wants more tests.

    • Kate 16:51 on 2022-10-07 Permalink | Reply  

      Mathieu B***-C*** argues for reconquering Montreal and “returning” it to his beloved monoculture. “Un nouveau peuple prend forme dans la métropole, un peuple montréalais” says MBC – and long may it thrive!

      • Ian 17:10 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

        The vaguely militaristic tone is unsettling, to say the least.

      • Kevin 17:32 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

        Montreal was never a monoculture and the MBCile knows it.

      • carswell 17:54 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

        In the west and much of the rest of the world (totalitarian states to some extent excepted) cities are multicultural. In other words, this idiot savant wants to turn us into an artificial city.

      • Ian 18:22 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

        On immigration as a threat to Quebec culture …
        At the height of the so-called potato famine in 1847, 75k Irish refugees arrived in Montreal, then a city of only 50k. There were also Irish mercenaries fighting alongside the French regulars on the Plains of Abraham. There have always been Irish here, some actually in the role of colonizers as in the case of the mercenaries, and later settlers in the form of refugees and later waves of immigration. As we all know many Irish intermarried with the French to the extent that their shaping of Quebec’s history both urban and rural is undeniable. There’s a reason that Quebec’s history has names like Edmund Bailey O’Callaghan, or there’s people with Irish last names in the Point that haven’t spoken English as a mother tongue for generations, and it’s not because Montreal was French up until the dastardly Anglos tricked everyone into multiculturalism (?!).

      • DeWolf 19:12 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

        From his writing, you’d think MBC lives in some little village in the Beauce, but he lives in Paris. Which is of course an extremely multicultural city, and a very globalized one too. I wonder what his everyday life there is like.

      • steph 09:15 on 2022-10-08 Permalink

        There’s a many things about Montreal that successfully keep the provincial homogony away… Traffic, construction, high cost of homes. Sure, please, come “settle here” and fix these problems for us….

        The thing about cosmopolitan life is that people that come here either adapt to it to enjoy the benefits, or they leave. There’s no “middle ground”. There’s no way to raze the skyscrapers and highways and return it to farmland…

        I’m usually enraged by MBC editorials, but this article had me feeling like “all those bugs are features”. His hopes to change it are 100% futile. More than ever people are becoming worldly and international. Bilingualism is only shameful when compare to people who speak three, four, five, or more languages. An anti-immigrant mono-culture would be a loss that would only impoverish us all.

      • Kate 09:39 on 2022-10-09 Permalink

        Well put, steph. All those bugs are features.

        What kills me is the arrogance. MBC is living in one of the world’s great cosmopolitan cities, but he wants Quebec to be a sort of gentle, backward, pastoral, monoglot society of happy Catholic francophones, a society turned in on itself. In that world, the agriculturalists wouldn’t even be troubled by the presence of indigenes to remind them that the land had not always been theirs.

      • Kevin 10:20 on 2022-10-09 Permalink

        His colleague banned-from-Twitter-Westmount-liver actually said that Montrealers were open to the world and yet navel-gazing for rejecting the CAQ.

    • Kate 10:46 on 2022-10-07 Permalink | Reply  

      The mayor has tweeted her pleasure that Condé Nast has named Montreal one of the best cities in the world. (The address of the article has “2014” in it twice, but the headline says it’s 2022.)

      • Hub 14:39 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

        I notice that there’re more and more of these ‘rankings’ in recent years.
        I guess soon we will be able to enjoy reading one newly knocked out ‘best city’ ranking every week, if not more frequent than that.

      • Tim S. 16:46 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

        But behind Quebec City. Proof that Legault was right about us!

      • Kate 16:54 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

        Another rating released Friday says Montreal is the fourth most photogenic city in Canada, behind Toronto, Edmonton and Calgary. If we’d been behind Saint John’s, Quebec City and Victoria I could handle this, but what?

      • Ian 17:11 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

        Edmonton and photogenic are two words I did not expect to see together, ever.

      • DeWolf 19:22 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

        The river valley in Edmonton is beautiful but the city as a whole? Same with Calgary. Gorgeous natural setting, with the Bow River and the Rockies in the distance, but the city itself is… not pretty.

        Toronto is more beautiful than it gets credit for, both in terms of historic architecture, cyberpunk vistas with all the new skyscrapers, and the unexpected greenery of the ravines. Not to mention the lake. So I’ll let that one slide.

        When it comes down to it, rankings and lists produce a lot of clicks for very little effort. Having produced quite a few of them for various publications in the early days of my career, I can tell you they’re 100% bullshit.

    • Kate 08:40 on 2022-10-07 Permalink | Reply  

      A 25-year-old man was stabbed downtown Thursday evening during an altercation.

      • Kate 08:18 on 2022-10-07 Permalink | Reply  

        Soroosh Shahriari, course lecturer at McGill, was the spark of a protest on Thursday after he tweeted (in Persian) “how heartwarming it will be to experience the execution of hundreds of Mojahedin leaders arrested in recent riots.” McGill is being cautious, offering “support” to its Iranian students while refusing to reprimand Shahriari.

        Looking for more links on that story, I found that Le Figaro had a piece in March about French students at McGill where “1800 étudiants français vivent pleinement leur rêve américain” (!) and, surprisingly, “tout se passe en anglais.”

        • PatrickC 09:09 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

          Interesting article from Le Figaro. But I was struck by this comment: “Les Québécois sont très positifs, très chaleureux, mais il y a un côté très artificiel et il est très dur de briser la coquille», note Amélie Gaillard, qui à la fin de ses études envisage de rentrer en France.” Artificial? I thought that’s how Québécois view the French?

        • Chris 09:11 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

          Notably: he’s a lecturer in the Jewish studies program.

        • Kate 10:36 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

          Shahriari is a specialist in the history of monotheistic religions, focusing on Judaism and Islam. That’s all I’ve been able to find out about him.

        • DeWolf 11:17 on 2022-10-07 Permalink

          @PatrickC It’s the classic peach vs. coconut thing: some cultures are “peaches” with a soft exterior and hard interior, meaning that people are outwardly casual and friendly but it’s hard to really break through and become close friends with someone. In “coconut” cultures, people are more reserved, but once you make it through the shell and become friends with someone, they let their guard down and you’re very good friends indeed.

          American cultures are generally considered peaches while old-world European and Asian cultures are coconuts.


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