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  • Kate 21:40 on 2020-07-29 Permalink | Reply  

    I try not to get too repetitive with themes on the blog, but it seems every day brings a new article about how merchants on some street are annoyed about temporary displaced parking. This time it’s in Sud-Ouest borough.

    I can see why. But did the same merchants get annoyed when streets were closed for festivals? Was there enough parking before, and did people actually drive to shop along there? I ask this last question because a recent study showed that most people shopping along Mont-Royal were not driving there. They shop there because they live in the area. There’s still a place for local shopping streets.

     
    • Mtlparking 09:17 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      I own a business for 25+years..we always experienced our worst weekends of the year when the street would be closed for the sidewalk sales and never liked/wanted them but always felt it was ok to sacrifice a couple of weekends if closing the street benefited the majority of merchants so kept quiet (turned out it didn’t so they ended a couple of years ago but that’s a whole other discussion..) Removing parking would be disastrous to our business..Joe McMillan expresses our sentiments exactly https://twitter.com/joebeef/status/1288796709905195008

    • walkerp 09:46 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      We are in a period of transition. If your urban local business is so dependent on automobile traffic, then it is doomed. Taking away parking is only a small factor in that. People with cars who live outside the city have access now to most of the services in their suburb. Joe Beef is complaining because his is a hipster destination restaurant, so people from the suburbs drive in. That’s not the case for most local restaurants, so he may want to not act like he is speaking for everybody.

    • Ephraim 10:11 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      Sometimes I wish these people would travel to cities like Phoenix and see what happens when you don’t have a central core… you travel 30 to 60 minutes to go to a good restaurant, if it can survive and the marketplace is dotted with chains, because no one else can really survive.

    • Kevin 11:02 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      People get upset when they aren’t told what’s happening in their neighbourhood. They get more upset when they realize that only a select few were informed and so they feel excluded.
      But after Projet Monteal doing this for 3 years for the entire city, it’s not going to change.

    • Kate 11:27 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      Kevin, I see that, but do these merchants get involved in the commercial associations (SDCs) for their streets? In some ways this evokes the people who don’t vote, but then go on to complain about issues. I’m sure the bureaucracy around the SDCs can be a pain, but how else can a group of businessmen with common concerns unite to communicate with the city?

      Of course, I don’t know if the city has made these changes via the SDCs, or whether the SDCs are staffed up to the max with city fonctionnaires and not, in fact, representatives of the businesses concerned. Knowing this city’s style as I do, I suspect the latter may be the case.

    • DeWolf 12:02 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      The Joe Beef guy is complaining about the SDC being “corrupt” but apparently it did reach out to merchants in May asking them about Notre-Dame summer configuration. Maybe there was a communications breakdown after that. His “take back our city” histrionics on Twitter are a bit much.

    • Kevin 12:08 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      Kate

      During the Monkland street festival debacle a couple years back, the main complaint from merchants was that nobody could ever reach the guy who ran the SDC. It was, for all intents and purposes, a one-man organization pretending to represent every business on the street.

      Much like the way you feel about Fergus Keyes being the voice of the Irish community 🙂

    • Ian 13:17 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      The Gazette version of the article is slightly different and not quite as reactionary as a lot of the comments here…

      “Sauvé, the councillor, urged merchants to “keep the conversation going” if they’re unhappy with the project. City officials will be monitoring traffic patterns over the coming days and will be ready to act if issues emerge, he said.

      “People can talk to us,” he said. “We’re super open to doing adjustments. This is a temporary project, and nothing is set in stone. Our merchants are having a hard time and we’re in a period where we have to try new ways to make things work. We wanted to be proactive.””

      https://montrealgazette.com/business/sud-ouest-merchants-up-in-arms-over-notre-dame-st-traffic-changes

      The big thing to remember here is that PM isn’t trying to suppress cars, it’s trying to increase business. That might seem like semantics to some but the thing is that if making streets into pedestrian zones and allowing for temporary terrasses instead of having parking doesn’t increase business, then obviously this one-size-fits-all implementation is not the answer to how to keep businesses from failing. Remember the main source of income for the city is property taxes, they definitely don’t want businesses to fail. They are largely powerless over many aspects of this so they are flailing about trying to come up with ideas, which is why they are so eager to hammer square pegs into all the holes – this idea worked on Mt Royal and they want to see if it can made to work in places like the Little Burgundy – St Henri corridor because they have no other good ideas.

      Maybe they could send in the clowns.

    • Em 14:49 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      Quite a few people in St. Henri seem to be mad about this, and not just business owners. Buses have been rerouted up to St-Antoine, which is pretty far to walk. Some are also unhappy about how much construction there already is in the area, and are worried about traffic being pushed onto small residential streets or St-Ambroise, which already had a fatal accident involving a child just recently.

      I think removing a few parking spots would have been fine (well, except normal grumbling), but turning a main artery into a one-way does cause some chaos on already-clogged streets.

      And while I like Projet Montreal, there’s a perception in some circles that they’re being a bit sneaky, and using the pandemic to push an agenda. I think they need to be careful not to go too far, because citizens don’t like politicians who are seen as deliberately making their lives harder (as Coderre learned during the Formula E debacle).

    • Ian 17:42 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      “there’s a perception in some circles that they’re being a bit sneaky”
      QFT

      Even in the before times when I was getting my license my driving instructor used to take me driving on Notre Dame, he said it was good practice dealing with crowded unpredictable streets with aggressive drivers and heavy traffic flow. He was right! Got me used to honking and aggressive behaviour from delivery rucks, too. I can only imagine what an utter shitshow that area must be now with all the construction & one-way streets. Dave M, whatever, he’s a fancypants gentrifier who from the sounds of his tweets does too much blow. On the other hand, I’m not surprised the guy at Nouveau Systeme is freaking right out. I lived in the bowels of Saint Henri for years, and it’s not teh same thing as the Plateau. PM has never really understood the gritty working class side of the SW and it really shows here.

    • jeather 18:14 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      The other issue is that with the turcot closed most weekends we already have all the people driving through, mostly along St Jacques, to get back on the 15, and now they are funneled even more.

    • CE 22:35 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      @Ian, have you been on Notre-Dame between Atwater and St-Remi lately? I have some clients on that stretch so I’m down there often now (after quite a few years of almost never being there). It’s amazing how much of the grit has been completely wiped away on that street! I was really surprised by how expensive most of the people’s clothes/dogs/cars/coffees looked. I sat outside of a pizza shop eating my overpriced slice of pizza one day and was treated to a passonate one-sided phone conversation about strategic use of hashtags for her startup. That conversation is about how I would sum up the new demographic of St-Henri.

    • Ian 07:26 on 2020-07-31 Permalink

      Well see that’s the thing – there is certainly a lot of that. Long gone are the days of buying a triplex for 60k – or even 350k per floor. My old favourite place to get breakfast turned into an artisanal $20 hamburger place, the old biker bar on St F is now an ice cream parlour… but all those people that are poor working class still live in and around there, just pushed to the margins, and a lot of the older businesses still exist. Same thing is going on in the Point & Verdun. Gentrification is a huge problem in many parts of town – basically the gentrifiers are pushing out the older inhabitants. PM talks a good game about slowing gentrification but in reality they are very much part of the gentrification.

      Joe Beef and its ilk aren’t part of the old neighbourhood either, that whole strip of ND by Atwater of pricy restaurants is also relatively new – and they aren’t there to cater to people in Little Burgundy that live in social housing, for instance. I’m not saying the neighbourhood should be reconfigured to suit the needs of the fancy new money businesses, either. This is the whole problem these neighbourhoods face, they are rapidly changing with new money coming in and the older residents & businesses feel that they are being simply ignored and even further marginalized – but now in their own neighbourhoods. I don’t know what the solution is, but one-size-fits-all street planning isn’t it.

    • Kevin 07:53 on 2020-07-31 Permalink

      Dorais announced (on Facebook :/ ) that the borough is backing down

  • Kate 11:38 on 2020-07-29 Permalink | Reply  

    A camp of homeless folks has grown up in Hochelaga although I wouldn’t characterize the location as “près du centre-ville” exactly.

    Update: Metro has a good photo of an organized campsite although I do have to wonder what the denizens do about bathrooms and washing.

     
    • DeWolf 12:19 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      Reminds me of West Islanders who consider anything east of the airport to be “downtown.”

    • Ian 08:27 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      To be fair a lot of people that live centrally imagine the city more or less fades out into uninteresting suburban fog at the Decarie to the West, the 40 to the north, Pie IX to the east, and the Lachine canal to the south. Having your head up your ass geographically isn’t limited to any one group.

      In any case while I know where that camp is and I certainly wouldn’t characterize it as a stone’s throw from downtown, it is certainly well within walking distance, it’s maybe a half hour’s walk east of Papineau.

    • Dominic 12:20 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      @Ian For those of us downtown, the “city” is Atwater to Berri, and Notre Dame to Sherbrooke. Everything else is the suburbs 😉

    • Kate 12:51 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      I’m reminded of Nick Auf der Maur saying he never wanted to live more than a $5* cab ride from Crescent Street.

      *Adjusted for inflation – he may even have said $3.

    • Ian 13:20 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      @Dom Wow, Notre Dame? I would have imagined anything south of Rene Levesque to be “otherwhere”. 😀

  • Kate 11:27 on 2020-07-29 Permalink | Reply  

    A non-enviable party of people dressed up as Botero characters are wandering around downtown. Are they there to warn us against overeating?

     
    • MarcG 11:36 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      If you could illustrate an anglo saying “tear-asses” instead of “terraces” that is what I would put on the anglo-Montrealer flag discussed earlier.

    • EmilyG 12:26 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      One time Ryan Stiles (of Whose Line Is It Anyway) was in Montreal and he joked abut “tear-asses.”

    • EmilyG 12:28 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      I hadn’t heard of Botero, but I looked up his paintings and realized he’s the guy whose paintings I sometimes see in internet memes. (Though I wouldn’t have made the connection to the actual costumed people.)

    • Kate 12:30 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      Fernando Botero‘s stuff has been poster fodder for years. I’ve never seen the attraction myself, but a lot of people must do.

    • Blork 12:38 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      I spotted some real life Botero people at Venice Beach a few years ago:

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BGsr-SjneI4/

    • dwgs 13:06 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      Getting pretty close to clowns…

    • walkerp 13:12 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      There is a Botero statue of a man on a horse on the front lawn of a mansion on Maplewood Avenue in Outremont. My child was laughing about their bums on the way to camp yesterday. Interesting synchronicity of timing!

    • JaneyB 14:38 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      Strange and yes, very close to clowns lol. Mind you, those sales numbers are pretty alarming, actually worse than I thought.

      If they want families to come downtown, they’re going to need to say loud and clear: ‘Parking is Free’ and ‘very clean toilets are available’. Many people are very anxious about the metro and public transit in general right now. That would help.

    • mare 14:42 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      It’s a warning against global warming. It must be unbearable wearing foam fat-suits In our current humid and hot weather.

    • Uatu 18:09 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      I dunno but they creep me out. They’re like some kind of robots that’ll turn against and kill all the humans in an episode of Black Mirror

    • Kevin 20:24 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      Absolutely everyone I know who has seen these photos is horrified, scared, and wondering what on Earth Tourism Montreal and the city of Montreal is doing.

      My children wanted to know why Montreal wanted people to stay away.

    • EmilyG 20:31 on 2020-07-29 Permalink

      They don’t even really look like his paintings. The costumes are weirder and creepier and less human-looking.
      Also, on Toxique Trottoir’s page about these costumes of theirs, they mention that the costumes are supposed to evoke both sensuality and childhood memories. Umm, eww.

  • Kate 09:19 on 2020-07-29 Permalink | Reply  

    TVA is sort of bragging that Montreal and Quebec City are rated as good places for a tech business, but is it so wonderful that the main draw is that Quebecers are willing to work for cheap?

     
  • Kate 08:49 on 2020-07-29 Permalink | Reply  

    This summer’s boredom is being blamed for an outbreak of illegal late-night fireworks around town; Montreal North is boosting its fines, with one councillor mentioning that people have mistaken firecrackers for gunfire.

     
    • Dominic 07:07 on 2020-07-30 Permalink

      They seemed to have moved downtown. Large fireworks displays near the Palais des Congres the past two nights!

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