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  • Kate 20:14 on 2024-04-03 Permalink | Reply  

    A writer who submitted a column about protecting French that ran in English in the Gazette in February has written a similar piece for La Presse. Mario Polèse makes the case that anglo Montrealers must pitch in to make French the common language here. “Les membres de la communauté anglo-montréalaise portent aujourd’hui une responsabilité particulière,” he says: the responsibility to speak French at all times outside the house.

    Does this make sense? Not much in my life would change and I suspect the same would be true of many anglo Montrealers. A lot of the time when I’m out and about, if I talk to people, I’m speaking French. I don’t even think about it, for the most part. But, unlike Mario Polèse, I don’t insist on it. If someone in a public setting addresses me in English, especially if they seem to be a native speaker, why would I ask them to speak French? Would anyone reading this choose to do that?

    Edited to add: My main beef with Polèse is the idea that it’s my duty to make myself more invisible as an anglo. Also the idea that if more of us did so, the government would be less motivated to legislate language. Would anticipatory obedience sate Quebec’s more extreme nationalistic urges? I doubt it.

    Polèse also links the French language to Quebec’s more progressive tendencies, suggesting we’d lose those if we lost French. I have no idea whether that’s a tenable position. I need to think about this.

     
    • Kevin 21:55 on 2024-04-03 Permalink

      It’s polite and genteel, but it’s still intolerance.

    • steph 07:40 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

      I was born, raised, and educated here with english as my first language. I’d like that right to be protected and not be asked to be pushed aside.

    • GC 08:14 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

      If someone stops me to ask for directions or something and they are obviously struggling with French, of course I’m going to try English with them. (Or even the tiny bit of Spanish I know, if it will help…) Or if they just approach me in English.

      If I’m out in public with a group of Anglo friends, of course we’re going to speak English to each other. But, we’ll all generally switch to French if a server comes over.

      (Must confess I haven’t read the article yet, though. Just addressing Kate’s questions.)

    • Ian 09:40 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

      “Assimilation is your fate, I for one welcome this chauvinistic ethnonationalist self-loathing”

      When people scold me for speaking English, I generally respond with a hearty “va chier” to reassure them that I do know French and will try harder to fit in.

      I work as a teacher at an English CEGEP … I’m not sure how this “only French outside the home” would work for us or any other Anglo institution, lol.

    • H. John 13:09 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

      Patrick Dery’s post on X:

      “Le français est-il en déclin dans l’espace public?

      Pas vraiment. Nouveau rapport de l’OQLF.

      En gros, le français est stable, et nos anglos ont tendance à parler plus souvent français.”

      https://x.com/Patrickdery/status/1775921191200469330?s=20

    • dhomas 13:21 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

      I think I’ve told this story before here. In order to make sure my kids are fully bilingual, I speak to them exclusively in English while my wife, a French teacher, speaks to them exclusively in French. It’s worked pretty well, complemented by their French immersion (EMSB) school. One time, at the grocery store, some Nosy Nelly overheard me speaking to the kids in English and loudly exclaimed “Au Québec, ça parle français!”. Without skipping a beat, I responded with “J’te garantie que leur français est meilleure que ton anglais”. It was immensely satisfying.

      All this to say, I’m pretty sure most people speak French, even if they are anglophones. I don’t know anyone who speaks NO French. This hasn’t always been the case. When I was younger, I did know some folks who spoke zero French.

    • JP 15:38 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

      Yeah, even my dad for whom English is a 3rd language & who I would say doesn’t speak French (except for numbers and other basics) is expanding his French vocabulary quickly because my niece who’s a toddler and goes to French daycare only speaks mostly only French. All of a sudden, he knows all these new words and expressions and all the colors in French….

    • CE 16:39 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

      I don’t think I know anyone in Montreal who speaks NO French but have encountered people who grew up here and have a surprisingly basic level. I was recently dealing with teachers from a West Island English high school in a bilingual setting and was surprised by how many of them had a very basic grasp of the language (and they were people who grew up here). That said, I knew someone who went to a French school in Ontario and knew students who didn’t really know much English.

      I’ve lived here for almost two decades, speak English outside the house all the time, and have never once been scolded for speaking English.

    • Kate 17:07 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

      I’ve seen it. I was walking down St-Denis once with an Asian friend (he was born in HK but grew up here), speaking English, and a man rushed up to him and shouted in his face to speak French. I had next door neighbours in the Plateau who screamed at me that I had no right to be here, because I was chatting off my back porch to a friend in the alley (this was daytime, we weren’t causing any disturbance, except that we were speaking English).

      A couple of years ago, I was on a bus, daytime, not too many people. Two young Black women were talking to each other quietly a few seats away. I could tell they were speaking English, although I wouldn’t have noticed or remembered them except that an old white woman suddenly started lecturing them loudly about how they should be speaking French.

      I could probably think of more examples, but these come to mind. It does happen.

      (And see, this is why I think Mario Polèse is deluding himself. These were private conversations. It should have been nobody else’s business what language was being spoken.)

    • Ian 20:21 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

      @CE I have been scolded by metro attendants several times over the years. I have had MANY occasions driving, in grocery stores, and even in line for various things where someone does something against the rule – to their advantage and my disadvantage – where I call them out and they sneer back “est-ce que tu parles FRANÇAIS” and they get the VC routine for sure. I have been accosted in bars several times, talking to a group of friends in English, by some random drunk-ass MF slurring at us to parle français icitte, là, and they catch the VC too, and sometimes it goews even further than that.

      To be fair I hang out at sketchy places and have lived in sketchy neighbourhoods and have sketchy friends and may in fact even be sketchy myself… people are more aggro in sketchy situations maybe? The language thing is an easy go-to I guess. Mileage may vary, as they say.

      My kids have never once been harassed. I suspect it’s a generational thing. Gen X still remembers the hostilities of the last referendum with one another, and Boomers still feel the need to annoy us with their shit, too. Maybe once all us graybeards die off it will calm down. I have hope for the future. Gen Z seems completely WTF MDR about all that stuff.

  • Kate 17:35 on 2024-04-03 Permalink | Reply  

    A year ago, Liza Frulla went to the media with a call for the old Institut des Sourdes‑Muettes on St‑Denis to be put back into use. Frulla, who heads the ITHQ, wanted at least part of it to be used to house students of the government’s nearby hospitality school. But nothing has been done and the building, standing empty since 2015 and occupying an entire city block, is still lying fallow.

     
    • Kate 11:58 on 2024-04-03 Permalink | Reply  

      Macleans has a long piece about what it headlines as the great Airbnb crackdown, about the difficulty cities find in policing short‑term rentals, and largely focusing on the fatal fire in Old Montreal last year.

       
      • Kate 10:41 on 2024-04-03 Permalink | Reply  

        Nearly 600 stolen vehicles have been recovered at the port, on their way overseas. Most were stolen in Ontario.

         
        • Ephraim 11:44 on 2024-04-03 Permalink

          Sort of proving the point that we need reform of our policing. Detective work should be provincial or federal, where they can have larger budgets and better expertise. The SQ or RCMP should take over murder investigations, car theft investigations, and things like major robberies. The city police just don’t have the ability to investigate financial thefts, computer hacking and frankly most murders. And a national or provincial police force would also be able to better lobby politicians to make changes, like requiring car manufacturers to harden cars to theft. While the city police need more knowledge in de-escalation and social work to deal with the population.

        • BobR 13:03 on 2024-04-03 Permalink

          Were there any arrests?

        • Kate 14:08 on 2024-04-03 Permalink

          That article doesn’t mention arrests, but there were some arrests in the investigation last month.

      • Kate 10:03 on 2024-04-03 Permalink | Reply  

        Ensemble Montréal is still in debt while Projet’s sitting pretty on a nest egg of nearly $700K.

         
        • Kate 09:50 on 2024-04-03 Permalink | Reply  

          A big spring snowfall is expected to start overnight and dump as much as 20 cm on the city. It will likely delay the spring cleanup.

          (I’ve taken the shovel back out of the storage shed.)

           
          • Ian 20:23 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

            I am very happy to report I was too lazy to put mine away. I shovelled my walk 3 times today, sigh.

            Fortunately snow is Montreal’s little black dress. It was treacherous out there, but so, so pretty.

          • dhomas 22:34 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

            The shovels were stored and the Tempo taken down over the past weekend. Luckily, I’d not yet changed my winter tires (because I was busy with taking down the Tempo), so when I lost power, I was still able to drive the family over to my mother-in-law’s. We lost power at around noon Thursday and the initial estimate to restore it was noon Friday. About 30 minutes after we got to my mother-in-law’s, we got a notification from Hydro-Quebec that power had been restored. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

          • Kate 10:43 on 2024-04-05 Permalink

            dhomas, you definitely irked the snow gods taking down that Tempo.

        • Kate 09:28 on 2024-04-03 Permalink | Reply  

          Sûreté du Québec workers blocked the Metropolitan on Tuesday as a pressure tactic toward getting a new contract.

           
          • mare 13:00 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

            If nurses, teachers, cyclists or climate activists would have done that, the blockade wouldn’t have lasted very long. And people would have been arrested. Highways are sacred.

            Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

          • steph 14:16 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

            I heard a gross twist “look at the anarchy that ensues if we don’t have the police to enforce the rules”. Made me puke a little in the back of my mouth.
            ACAB, and here was an obvious display of their hypocrisy.

          • Ian 18:57 on 2024-04-04 Permalink

            Given their history as strikebreakers I don’t think the police should actually have been allowed to unionize.
            ACAB indeed.

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