Transit pass prices adjusted for July
Interesting changes in transit pass prices will come into force in July: kids ride free till age 11 if boarding with a fare-paying adult, and people 65 and older will get a much bigger break.
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david638 18:53 on 2021-04-29 Permalink
This is a much bigger story than indicated – first time we’re getting REM pricing, unless I missed something!
It’s going to be cheap(ish)!
Now the remaining question: pricing integrated with the metro?
dwgs 19:33 on 2021-04-29 Permalink
It was very rare that any bus driver or metro booth person asked my kids to pay until they were 12 or so.
Mark Côté 20:25 on 2021-04-29 Permalink
It was already free for kids under 11 on weekends and during the summer holiday, so this will only really affect kids that travel by bus for school—but I imagine that might be a relief to a big family.
Kate 07:25 on 2021-04-30 Permalink
But do kids travel by bus to school with a parent?
John B 07:38 on 2021-04-30 Permalink
It’s also a relief for families who travel to any after-school activities by bus, when after-school activities are a thing.
Some kids go by bus to school with a parent. Especially kids who go to schools other than their neighbourhood school, like FACE, or one of the many alternative schools in town.
Bill Binns 07:58 on 2021-04-30 Permalink
I’m really curious about how much it costs the STM to collect fares. All the machines, all the enforcement, all the employees, all of the servers and back office stuff, the accountants etc. What’s left of those fares after all of those costs are counted? Is it even worth it?
Kate 10:16 on 2021-04-30 Permalink
Someone should do a piece like this New York mag article about the MTA about how the STM collects and counts fares.
Bill Binns, I will look into this. I seem to recall they do need the revenue, although how much of it goes uselessly into policing fare fraud I don’t have a clue.
John B 11:02 on 2021-04-30 Permalink
@david638 : This CBC article implies that a ticket will be good for all transit forms within a zone, which, if true, is welcome.
Maybe my privilege is showing, but how badly do seniors need super-cheap transit passes? Most seniors I know are better off than most working-age people I know. Is there data that says seniors in 2021 are poorer than 30-year-olds, or is this an outdated idea that’s stuck in popular opinion & politics, (like the “middle class”)?
Kate 12:17 on 2021-04-30 Permalink
Not all old people have amassed sufficient wealth to call a cab when they need to get around. I will be very happy to get a cheaper pass when I reach 65.
In the UK, you get to ride transit free after that age.
Mark Côté 12:32 on 2021-04-30 Permalink
“But do kids travel by bus to school with a parent?”
Under age 11, I would guess yes. Maybe not their parent, but an adult at least. I don’t know what it was like to grow up in the city, but at least nowadays I have a hard time imagining 9 or 10 year olds taking the bus by themselves. Quebec has no real clear laws when it comes to kids being left alone (either inside or outside the home).
Uatu 13:48 on 2021-04-30 Permalink
Hmm. Seems I’m going to be paying 10$ more for my fare. So 165$ a month to wait in the cold to catch a bus to catch a train to catch a metro. Wow. Thanks artm. My life has improved so fucking much with this new train.
Tim 16:18 on 2021-04-30 Permalink
I agree with John B: seniors, as a group, are better off than just about everyone else and do not need reduced fares en masse. A whopping 70% off seems excessive.
This reminds of the current vote buying efforts included in the Liberal budget: $500 dollars for everyone over 75 (a completely arbitrary age limit) and a 10% bump in OAS payments. The following Globe editorial makes a strong case that this money should be targeted to poorer seniors that get the GIS and who need it, not everyone getting OAS.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-old-age-security-costs-more-every-year-the-trudeau-governments-budget/
Kate 09:43 on 2021-05-01 Permalink
John B., Tim, not all seniors arrive at retirement age with accrued wealth, whether from pensions or inheritance. The wealthier ones will be driving or taking cabs and won’t need the cheap transit passes. The poorer ones will.
Ant6n 11:08 on 2021-05-01 Permalink
I thought cost of fare collection and enforcement is around 10%? And fares pay half the cost, perhaps a bit more, the rest are subsidies. (Except for the REM, which is gonna be 3/4 subsidies)