No half mast flag for the Pope
François Legault wanted the Quebec flag to fly at half mast for the death of Pope Francis, but his request was denied because of the secularity law, aka Bill 21.
Leopards? Eat his face?
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GC 09:53 on 2025-05-03 Permalink
“la majorité des citoyens du Québec sont catholiques” Is that even true? Maybe on paper, according to census data, but I doubt the majority of them are practicing in any way.
Kate 10:07 on 2025-05-03 Permalink
Given the emptiness of the churches, I think you’re right.
When I was doing census work, people would often say, in response to the religion question, something like my family was Catholic, but….
It’s not entirely inaccurate to say it’s part of the culture here, not a system of beliefs any more.
bob 11:02 on 2025-05-03 Permalink
(Paraphrasing) They may not be *Christians*, but they certainly remain Catholic.
TeeOwe 12:13 on 2025-05-03 Permalink
Maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t get it but ‘leopards, eat his face’ – ?
On whether folk are catholic or Christian- I consider myself atheist BUT I was raised in a Christian family and therefore my mores and values are shaped from that- I think we need to respect that aspect for broader society – it’s not just whether one goes to this or that church or other religious entity, but how you were shaped growing up – IMO surpasses arguments about secularism etc. Can discuss.
Kate 12:29 on 2025-05-03 Permalink
TeeOwe: “The phrase, popularized by a 2015 Twitter post, refers to the “Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party,” a parody of a political party whose policies are cruel and unjust, and whose voters are surprised when those same policies hurt them. It highlights the irony of supporting policies that negatively impact oneself, often in a way that’s unexpected or ironic.”
Meezly 13:18 on 2025-05-03 Permalink
The respect for how our identities were shaped growing up whether it be Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, pagan, atheist… Wouldn’t it be nice if our “secular” society treated everyone with such equal measure.
I think pluralistic secularism ideally recognizes how religion and culture are tightly intertwined – its objective is to keep the Church out of government affairs and be neutral to all religions. Yet Legault’s secularism is intrinsically white supremacist and weaponized against those who don’t fit into the dominant cultural norms.
Treating a piece of clothing as religious garb instead of something that’s part of one’s cultural identity – you must either stop wearing this clothing to work or you can move somewhere else. How are these citizens respected? What is there to discuss except that Legault’s Quebec is rife with hypocrisy and exclusionism?
But so glad to see Legault hoisted by his own petard!!
Ephraim 11:48 on 2025-05-04 Permalink
53.8% said they were Catholic in the 2021 census. About 7.5% actually attend church one a month… 4% weekly. As far as I know, the official religion in Quebec is Lapsed Catholic.
Kate 12:07 on 2025-05-04 Permalink
It really is, Ephraim. People may still baptize their kids, hold weddings and funerals in church, but allowing the church to dictate how they live? I don’t think so.
Ian 07:31 on 2025-05-05 Permalink
I’ve heard a couple of people self-escribe as “culturally catholic”,
jeather 09:38 on 2025-05-05 Permalink
Culturally Catholic is a perfectly clear and accurate description for people. However, that does not mean that their “cultural” actions are secular.