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  • Kate 20:57 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

    Antonia Nantel, not a famous name in Montreal, perhaps better known as the wife of Athanase David, was one of the founders of the Montreal symphony. Something’s likely to be named for her soon. (She was also the grandmother of politicians Hélène and Françoise David.)

    This Radio-Canada piece says Nantel’s plan was to “doter le Québec d’un premier orchestre francophone.” Was there already an existing anglo orchestra? And in classical music, does it even matter? I don’t know much about that world, but it doesn’t seem to put a lot of importance on your place or language of origin, if you can play the music.

     
    • Joey 09:25 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      I suppose it matters if the conductor speaks English only – how could French-speaking musicians participate? Moreover, especially in years past you’d assume an “English” orchestra wouldn’t even consider French musicians.

    • Kate 10:22 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      Most highly trained classical musicians and conductors will be accustomed to getting by in several languages. These people train in different countries and move around depending on what they’re offered and what they want to do. I’d guess that the higher ranking ones would pick up English, French and Italian as they go along – maybe German too, depending on the kind of music they favour – plus of course the language of music notation is Italian already. All a conductor has to do is leap onto a podium and yell “Adagio!” and point their wand, and everyone knows what they want.

    • Joey 10:35 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      I was talking about the 1930s, just to be clear…

    • Kate 10:42 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      True enough, people may not have been so mobile then, but I bet classical types still got around. It’s an elite world. Ocean liners existed.

    • PatrickC 15:09 on 2021-05-17 Permalink

      An orchestra is more than the musicians and the conductors. It is about the network of philanthropists and patrons, and the social capital associated with sponsorship of high culture. In the era before big government subsidies, private patronage was crucial, and the linguistic divide, not to mention other forms of ethnic and religious exclusivity, would have played a major role in the social circles from which the patrons were drawn.

  • Kate 17:12 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

    There was a vigorous protest in support of Palestine on a beautiful Saturday afternoon in Montreal. Radio-Canada and TVA say it was thousands of people while CTV says hundreds.

     
    • dhomas 07:41 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      The CTV article has been amended to say “thousands”, as well.

  • Kate 16:53 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

    François Legault has written an official letter to Justin Trudeau about the decline of French in Quebec and claiming that Quebec has the power to unilaterally change the Canadian constitution.

    I heard Christopher Skeete talking on CBC radio on Friday. His cite for the decline of French in Quebec was from the OQLF, which I suppose will soon be elevated from a mere Office to a Ministry. Forgive me if I tend to feel that OQLF workers have a vested interest in stoking the belief that French is under constant attack in Quebec: I’d like to see some more objective studies. Of course politicians have to take it as a matter of faith, strategically, but I’m not sure we all do.

    Arguably, Bill 101 worked. More immigrants learn French, more children are educated in French, almost all signs have been in French since the bill, and so on. Look at photos of Montreal streetscapes before that time. There are French signs but there are also a lot of signs in English, which we don’t see any more. There are not many left to be rooted out.

    On the other hand, some experts think Quebec is under-counting English speakers because the official numbers are based on mother tongue, the initial language spoken at home.

    I went to buy a few plants on Friday at the market. I always speak French to people there. Sometimes they catch my accent and reply in English. I don’t need them to, but it’s a simple fact of sales life: if you talk to the customer in their language, you will sell more stuff. Can you change this global rule by fiat?

    As an example of what the OQLF gets up to, it recently investigated a complaint that two hospital workers spoke to each other in Creole. I think we’ve seen stories like this before but can’t find them.

     
    • dhomas 17:11 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      I think you mean “Stone Cold Chris Skeete”. 😛

    • Thomas 17:20 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      The sad fact of the matter is that the main obstacle to the continued thriving of the French language in Quebec is education among francophone Quebecers. I was shocked to discover upon arriving here that my Manitoba French Immersion education has me writing and speaking better French (spelling, grammar, vocabulary) than the majority of francophone Quebecers that I come across in life, be it socially, professionally or online. This has nothing to do with accent and slang (which I love), just simple mastery of the basic building blocks of the French language.

      Anglos and immigrants have never spoken more French than they do today, so although it makes nationalists feel better to point at them as the problem, it’s not actually going to solve anything. In the press conference announcing these measures, one journalist tried to ask Jolin-Barrette about the quality of French among francophone Quebecers, the minister paid brief lip service to the idea that people need to be proud of their language and have a better mastery of it, but then quickly pivoted back (in the same sentence) to the idea that immigrants need to speak even more French than they already do.

      Personally, I would love for there to be an Épreuve uniforme de français for every adult living in Quebec, not just francophone CEGEP students. I would be amazed if the majority of francophones could pass it, I really would. Such an exercice would put a lot of this stuff into perspective.

      As an aside, this year is my 15th anniversary of living in Montreal, and earlier today I saw my first ever English-language sign (Shaun’s Auto Service), I almost walked into a post I was so shocked

    • Uatu 21:44 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      I wonder if oqlf staff get their friends and family to make complaints to keep them gainfully employed…. 😛

    • GC 07:34 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      I do wonder, Uatu, how many complaints come from unique sources. I suspect it’s a very small segment of the population that submits most of them.

    • Kevin 08:46 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

    • Uatu 09:00 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      The quote about the dix30 ignores the fact that a lot of the clientele is cross border shoppers from the States. I know people that work there who say Americans love to spend a Saturday eating in restaurants and buy buy Buy because of the USD. I also know that the uniligual clerk is also a myth at least among the people I know that work there

    • Jack 11:12 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      I am more and more convinced that this has nothing to do with language. It has everything to do with ethnicity. The french-origin majority controls every lever of power in Quebec yet because of nationalist narratives that are cemented into the culture, there is an omnipresent sense of defeat, victimization and powerlessness. When in ten years the population of mother tongue franco’s goes from 79% to 78% we are in crisis mode. The political class from all parties exploits this fear and we get the politics we have. Those politics include a real emphasis on collective rights continuously trumping individual rights.

    • mare 19:12 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      « a […] diminué entre 2011 (80 %) et 2016 (79 %) », tout comme le « poids des personnes déclarant avoir le français comme seule langue maternelle », de 78 % en 2011 à 77 % en 2016. »

      The statistical margin of error of a poll is 2% (with a large sample size) or more. On top of that, the number of people answering the expected, “correct” answer is probably also high on such a hot topic, which probably has some leading questions beforehand.

    • david449 21:59 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      Stone Cold Chris (SCC) is a fair dealer in this – he’s the government’s point man for Montreal/anglophones, but he’s also not dumb. I imagine that without him at the table, this legislation is dumber and worse.

  • Kate 11:16 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

    It’s hard to believe that the SPVM named its first ever female motorcycle cop as late as 2021. The service itself calls her a femme agent motard. I thought “motard” was reserved for motorcycle-based bad guys, but I guess not.

     
    • Chris 11:48 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      Wait, I thought cops were the bad guys, no? Maybe it’s some kind of irony. 🙂

    • Bert 13:16 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      Nah, the term Motard is also used, ironically, on SPVM cars. https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/montreal-canada-07-11-2019-car-1456313015

    • Kevin 13:38 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      I was called a motard yesterday by another fellow also carrying his helmet. We waved, as tradition dictates.

    • Kate 07:43 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      I was thinking of the word chauffard which does have a pejorative implication. Plus usually when “motard” turns up in the news, it’s gangs.

      Also there’s the French suffix -ard for which the dictionary gives several meanings but the first is “Donne une note péjorative” e.g. clochard, chauffard, salopard and so on.

  • Kate 11:08 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

    To save money, there’s talk of deleting one of the five planned stations from the blue line extension. This piece talks about how it might be Anjou. But the plans have talked for years about “extending the line to Anjou” so would that be cut short now?

    Anjou station seems to have involved a lot of money and legal wrangling over the land for the terminus station and its parking lot, but who wants a blue line that stops at Langelier? Rolling Langelier and Lacordaire stations together would make more sense to me – but then, government decision-makers seldom follow the suggestions of this blog.

     
    • Ephraim 16:10 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      People forget that they want the stop to be at Belanger and Anjou. I wonder, could they save money buy using the old “Sears Garage” area in that corner and therefore it’s a straight shot down Jean-Talon, rather than tunnel under those buildings? Wonder if that would save much cash?

    • GC 07:30 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      Haven’t they already bought/appropriated all the land for the stations at surface level? Relocating one would just add to that bill, wouldn’t it? For that matter, what will they do with all that real estate if the line is cancelled?

    • Kate 10:31 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      I agree – it seems unlikely that changing plans at this stage would save money, and in fact might end up costing more.

    • GC 15:54 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      That should have said “expropriated”, of course! But you probably all figured that out.

  • Kate 10:52 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

    It likely won’t affect most of us in Montreal, but Greyhound has ended all services in Canada and this will have deleterious effects on a big country with big distances between towns in many places. Tracey Lindeman has a Twitter thread about the consequences. CBC says hopefully that other bus companies may fill the gaps, but one reason Greyhound left was because so many of its routes were unprofitable. A major transit union has launched a campaign to press the federal government to establish a public inter-city bus system in Canada.

     
    • John B 11:38 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      If you like to visit Ottawa and don’t have a car this affects you. On Via’s normal schedule the last train leaves Ottawa at 4PM, so without Greyhound you can’t eat dinner then leave. Via is usually a lot more expensive than Greyhound was too on that route. You could sometimes get a Via ticket for $29 by buying way in advance, but on short notice $50 is more normal. Greyhound was ~$22 in advance, and $30-ish on short notice.

      Losing a cheap, reliable-ish, method of intercity travel sucks. Part of our decision to not own a car is based on being able to rely on busses & trains, and with family in Ottawa I have actually ridden the Greyhound more in the past 5-ish years than most of my life before. In this situation, I think the government should push Via Rail to be more frequent and downmarket. There’s a train line, let’s use it. What’ll probably happen is one of the existing bus companies will start serving this route.

      Interestingly, if you really really want to take a bus to Ottawa you still can. It takes 7 hours, costs $110, and you have to change busses in Grand-Remous

    • EmilyG 11:39 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      It will affect me. I loved going to Ottawa on the Greyhound. I’ll need to think of other ways to get there when we can travel again.

    • david12 12:10 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      The train is more costly, but far nicer.

    • GC 12:15 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      The bus to Ottawa also dropped you somewhere central. The train…not so much.

    • david12 13:00 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      This is true but there’s an s-bahn type train now that takes you right into town. They’re calling it the Confederation line, of course, since the thing was one of Stephen Harper’s big projects.

    • John B 15:50 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

      The new s-bahn train helps a lot. I used it once, with a half-hour delay for the true Ottawa Experience(TM). The train is way nicer nicer than the bus, but at 2-3x the price it had better be!

    • GC 07:27 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      Oh, good point. It’s actually been a few years since I rode the train there, because of the inconvenience of the station. I’m glad to hear it’s better now.

    • EmilyG 11:37 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      I’d like to try that train.
      (Once the pandemic is over.)

    • Ant6n 20:32 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      Nitpick: it’s not an S-Bahn (regional rapid transit built out of mainline rail) but a Stadtbahn (light rail that’s a combination of tram and metro, often with inner city tunnel and and Surface running outside, based on tram-tech).

      As for Greyhound, how will we get to NYC?

    • John B 23:45 on 2021-05-16 Permalink

      Greyhound USA will operate busses from Montreal to NYC & Boston.

    • Josh 12:01 on 2021-05-17 Permalink

      davidnumbers: Yeah, sure, the public transit project in the capital of the country was a big pet project of the Conservative Prime Minister from Calgary. Citation needed. Federal Conservatives love public transit and they especially love it in *Ottawa*.

  • Kate 10:40 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

    Cockroach problems have increased between 10 and 15 per cent since the pandemic – mind you, this comes from a guy running a pest control service. He says that with people working from home they’re also eating at home, so are generating more food waste.

     
    • Kate 10:22 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

      Small tempest in the Coderre teapot this week as Denis hired then fired boxer Ali Nestor as a special adviser when he found out there were complaints of domestic violence against the man. There have been no charges, but Coderre quickly decided this potato was too hot.

       
      • Kate 10:18 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

        The big library won’t be open till Tuesday following a cyberattack on a Quebec daycare data bank called La Place 0‑5.

        Quebec has shut down most of its online services this weekend, in response to a ministerial demand. La Presse tells how the initial report of the story was ignored by the SQ.

         
        • Kate 10:12 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

          The city’s cleanliness brigade is going to work longer hours to make the town pretty for summer.

           
          • CE 18:35 on 2021-05-15 Permalink

            I’ve never seen the streets cleaned faster or the lines painted earlier than this year. It’s really nice to have the bike lanes painted so early, especially the ones that go against traffic.

        • Kate 10:00 on 2021-05-15 Permalink | Reply  

          Radio-Canada asks which pandemic changes will remain permanent in Montreal. I don’t think we’ll be able to answer this question clearly yet.

           
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