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  • Kate 15:25 on 2022-08-01 Permalink | Reply  

    I’ve seen rumbles about this for weeks on social media, but finally CBC is covering the problem of trash piling up in Park Ex. The problem seems to have started after garbage pickup went down to once a week, but the borough is leaning more on fines than on promises to return to twice‑weekly pickups.

    • Em 16:06 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

      I thought trash pickup had gone down to once a week pretty much everywhere in the city. Not sure why that would be a bigger problem in Park Ex than elsewhere.

    • dhomas 16:20 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

      So, I just checked Info-Collectes for one of the places mentioned in the article, around de Liège and Wiseman. Buildings with 9 or more apartments get garbage pickup bi-weekly on Tuesdays and Fridays. Smaller building get it only weekly on Fridays only. Recycling is on Wednesdays. Compost is on Tuesdays. That’s 3 to 4 pickups per week.

      As much as I like to complain when things don’t get done properly by the city, I kinda think people never adjusted to the change in schedule in 2018. They added compost pickup, so they removed one garbage pickup. Makes sense to me!

      However, according to the article “trash bags tend to overflow in the neighbourhood because recycling and composting aren’t very popular”. This here is the problem. My garbage has been nearly odorless since they started compost pickup in my neighbourhood. The people who don’t yet separate their compost around me still have very stinky garbage, especially in the summer. This tends to attract raccoons and even cats (the same people tend to not use bins, and leave black garbage bags on the curb).

      Also, one of the photos are obviously from a business which should have a container to put their recycling/garbage in. Another photo seems to be the result of an eviction or abandoned apartment being emptied after moving day. There is NO WAY a duplex generates that kind of garbage in only one week. The address is 8188 Wiseman, and it looks like it’s always been pretty messy around there: https://goo.gl/maps/Yn7Nr1WSPjkq8YDb8

      If the folks in Park Ex don’t properly utilise their city services by separating their refuse properly, maybe fines are the only way to get them to start putting stuff out on the appropriate days. Language is sometimes an issue, but the fines/warnings will usually go to the landlords. The landlords should then communicate to the tenants when and how to put out the trash, or risk getting fined. (I know from experience as my tenant tends to do the same thing, until I tell him to shape up every couple of months).

    • MtlWeb 10:30 on 2022-08-02 Permalink

      Em – trash is picked up every 2 weeks in St. Laurent; compost/recycling weekly.

  • Kate 15:21 on 2022-08-01 Permalink | Reply  

    Osheaga is said to have been a success this year but it leaves a big mess to be cleaned up.

    Update: Capsule reviews of 28 of the sets on CultMTL.

    • Kate 09:36 on 2022-08-01 Permalink | Reply  

      Nurses with Covid, even experiencing severe symptoms, are being forced to work because of a shortage of health care staff throughout the system.

      Tell me again how the pandemic is over?

      • steph 10:29 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

        Tell me how “forced to work” isn’t slavery. Many nurses choose the vocation in passion – exploiting that passion is unconscionable.

      • Blork 12:16 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

        It’s certainly abusive, but calling it slavery is hyperbolic. Ask someone who has experienced actual slavery if forced overtime for a paid job that you can walk away from any time – a job where you have no obligations or fealty to your boss when you’re off the clock – if that feels like slavery, and you will not likely find agreement.

      • mare 14:21 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

        I’m reading about the situation in British hospitals and thinking that will be Quebec soon. Not only the next month, but during years to come because there are less healthcare workers in the education pipeline than are leaving and retiring.

      • Uatu 15:59 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

        It’s not really slavery since they are getting paid overtime. Whether or not they can continue to function properly in the coming days is another story tho. And don’t worry mare the caq will replace workers with robots anyway right?

    • Kate 08:51 on 2022-08-01 Permalink | Reply  

      A swimming pool behind the old Royal Vic is being left to rot despite promises to put it back into use, but it may have to wait till the entire site is renovated. The issue of whether Indigenous children were buried nearby after secret experiments at the hospital also comes into play.

      • Kate 08:25 on 2022-08-01 Permalink | Reply  

        Police were called to shut down a lemonade stand in Roxboro on Saturday.

        • Blork 09:54 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          So much wrong here. The one inch I’ll give on the side of the complainers is that maybe blasting their sales pitch through a bullhorn all day wasn’t a great idea. But otherwise, WTF is up with the cops not having anything better to do, and being not particularly friendly or neighbourly about it when then showed up?

          The fact that the kids selling the lemonade appear to be non-white is also interesting to think about. Would the cops have been so unfriendly towards white kids doing the same thing? (I have no doubt they would have responded to the noise complaints, but I have a feeling the tone of it all would have been very different.)

          Side note: what’s up with all the lemonade stands? I’ve seen at least five of them set up around my neighbourhood this summer. That’s so 1950s! (In my case there were no bullhorns, and no cops.)

        • steph 10:27 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          “Nuisance calls” are resolved by the path of easiest resistance. Either you get the complaint withdrawn, or you ask the kids to stop. Maybe the police tried the first option without success.

        • Ephraim 10:47 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          Busybody neighbours are the worst! Gladys Kravitz was a really bad role model

        • Emily 11:18 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          The man swearing at the kids should’ve gotten in trouble, not the family.

        • Uatu 15:41 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          These cops busted these kids like they were dealers in an episode of The Wire. I’m surprised they didn’t flip the table and haul everyone downtown for questioning

        • H. John 22:32 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          Clearly, I’m a grumpy old man.

          I watched the original CTV coverage, and I was impressed by the two young boys.

          But I also thought: thank god, I don’t live next door to them.

          It’s not the lemonade stand that made me think that, it was the bull horn.

          Think about having a kid next door to you for hours each day screaming into a bull horn.

          What parent buys their child a bull horn and is then surprised it bothers neighbours?

          I also thought about an article in this week’s Economist, How Magicians Won Facebook.

          I found it interesting that when CTV’s reporter arrived, another man had just dropped by to give the mom flowers and cash since he’d already read about the kids.

        • Kate 10:07 on 2022-08-02 Permalink

          H. John, in my immediate neighbourhood there’s a kid who’s pushed outside and runs around going AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA sometimes for hours. He doesn’t have a bullhorn, admittedly, but it can get a little wearing. But unless he was doing it at midnight it wouldn’t occur to me to call the cops.

          I think I understand why his parent(s) push him outside, though.

          I don’t know whether there’s anything wrong with the kid, or if he just likes filling the street with his voice.

        • dwgs 14:14 on 2022-08-02 Permalink

          So why don’t the cops show up and say “lose the bullhorn or we shut you down”? Easy peasy.

        • Chris 09:15 on 2022-08-03 Permalink

          >So why don’t the cops show up and say “lose the bullhorn or we shut you down”?

          dwgs, did you read the article? They did exactly that.

          “…Massa refused to shut down the stand…” “[Massa] insisted on continuing to use the megaphone…” “…They simply asked her repeatedly to stop using the megaphone…”

        • dwgs 09:43 on 2022-08-03 Permalink

          The story must have been edited since it was first published, I read it the day the story broke.

        • Chris 23:56 on 2022-08-03 Permalink

          dwgs, you are 2/3 correct. 🙂 Looking at the Wayback Machine, 2 of the 3 phrases I quoted were indeed added later, between July 31 and Aug 1. It seems CTV first published without getting the police side of the story, as the sentence “Montreal police (SPVM) have yet to respond to CTV News’ request for comment.” was also removed.

      • Kate 08:14 on 2022-08-01 Permalink | Reply  

        With tourism back, La Presse has a timely piece on the traffic congestion in Old Montreal. But Vincent Larin blames the parking payment system in the Old Port here rather than the idiocy of allowing motor traffic in the Vieux.

        Why would a French tourist family drive to Old Montreal? Wherever they were staying, they could’ve avoided their traffic woes simply by taking the metro to Place d’Armes or Champ de Mars. Would they expect to drive around central Paris?

        • Blork 10:12 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          I’ve been to Old Montreal a few times this summer and yes, the traffic and parking situation is insane. I’ve never seen it so bad. (The worst of it is really in the Vieux Port.)

          Regarding why would a French family of tourists drive instead of taking the Metro, I can think of many reasons. For one thing, they probably had no advance warning of the traffic situation. Why would they? They’ve probably driven around other neighbourhoods without encountering that kind of mess, so where would they get the knowledge that the Vieux Port is experiencing a particularly bad traffic situation right now? It’s not like it’s widely reported or is written up in the tourist brochures and guides. (Outside of tourist season, and even within tourist season but on certain days or times of day the traffic isn’t bad.)

          Then there’s the Metro. Let’s say you’re a family of four from outside of the country and you’re visiting Montreal (and probably elsewhere) nicely ensconced in your hotel and with a rental car. Each day you head out and visit a bunch of locations, driving from one to the other. And let’s say you did manage to get a warning about traffic in the Vieux Port. What do you do? Find a Metro station that has parking nearby, then go into the Metro and try to figure out the ticket system. Good luck with that! Even if you figure it out, are you ready to shell out $28 just to take the Metro a few stops to avoid parking? (The joke of course is that parking in the Vieux would cost the same, but they probably assumed they’d get metered parking for a couple of hours and pay only a few bucks.) Regardless, their options are (a) pay for parking at the Metro station then pay $28 for the Metro, or (b) just drive to the Vieux and pay for parking.

          …also bear in mind the for anyone used to the Paris Metro (which isn’t necessarily the case for this family, as they’re from “Northern France”) the Montreal Metro is not even on the radar, with its (comparatively) very few lines and hardly any stations.

          My point is only that you can’t expect outsiders to have very good knowledge of such matters.

        • Ephraim 10:20 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          Sometimes it’s a matter of what’s available. This weekend phones were ringing off the hook for last minutes rooms. And people were staying in Midtown, Laval, HoMa, those hotels in St-Leonard/Anjou and of course the South Shore.

          They may live in suburbia and not think of Montreal that way. I had someone from the midwest who I told not to move their car (they had a free parking spot) but insisted that they would easily find a spot near the MMFA. 60 minutes later they were back, after not finding a spot near the MMFA only to not be able to find a free spot near here anymore. They took an Uber after that (in spite of me telling them to just take the 24 all the way there.

        • Blork 11:23 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          Many tourists are very averse to public transit. It’s a big unknown to them, and they probably assume it’s full of drunks and perverts.

        • Kevin 15:07 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          Every time I visit France I have never had a problem finding a clearly marked dedicated parking building near my destination.
          Get a ticket on your way in, pay on your way out.

          It is designed to be easy for international tourists.

        • Kate 15:09 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          Some Americans seem to feel that way, Blork, but European tourists?

        • Blork 15:25 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          Tourists aren’t always very bright. I imagine a typical European tourist itinerary for a summer week in Montreal to look something like this:

          Monday morning: visit all the farmers markets. Load up on vegetables (which will then rot in the hotel room as they have no kitchen).

          Monday afternoon: tour of Old Montreal and all of its historical sites and museums.

          Tuesday morning: drive to Chibougamau for dog sledding and ice fishing.

          Tuesday afternoon: visit all the Arcade Fire-referenced landmarks in Mile-end.

          Wednesday: Drive to Lake Louise for the mountain views.

          Thursday: Go orca watching in Vancouver.

          Friday morning: Drive back to Montreal.

          Friday afternoon and Saturday: Go to the Jazz Fest, the Just for Laughs festival, and the Grand-Prix.

          Similarly, I can imagine a typical U.S.er tourist itinerary for a summer week in Montreal to look something like this:

          Monday morning: go to St-Leonard to borrow a sidearm from a cousin, because FFS you can’t just walk around without a sidearm!

          Monday afternoon: Extreme ribs tour! Visit all the BBQ joints in town eating their ribs and making TikTok videos about them.

          Tuesday: Extreme zip lining! Go to all the zip line places within 100 miles and make TikTok videos about them.

          Wednesday: Extreme water sports! Do all the water sports that involve loud boats and big waves! Make TikTok videos about them!

          Thursday: Extreme French Deep-dive, without all the French people! Visit Old Montreal, then drive to Old Quebec City. Eat all the kwassants and poutines! Make TikTok videos about them!

          Friday: Extreme French Food! Go to all the expensive French restaurants in town. (At $100 Canadian per plate, it’s practically free!) Don’t forget to make those TikTok videos!

          Saturday: Extreme festivals! Go to Osheaga and the Jazz Festival, with extreme ax throwing in between! TikTok!

        • Joey 16:03 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          My hunch is that this kind of takeaway (Montreal is beautiful but it’s impossible to park in the old city) is the kind of thing that could have a long-lasting impact on tourism. Perhaps the sheer number of drivers in Old Montreal this weekend passed some mysterious threshold at which point everything just stalls right up; my inclination is to follow Occam… the federal officials who run the old port parking implemented a stupid system that created a bottleneck at the worst possible point* and it’s turned into a disaster. That the city Project folks who run the city see this as an opportunity to form some committees and study more radical changes that will be implemented slowly

        • Joey 16:05 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          (hit ‘reply’ too soon…)

          … was entirely predictable.

          *Why is this the worst place to create a bottleneck? Since the Old Port is more about walking around and less about a particular event (fireworks somewhat notwithstanding), it’s unlikely you would have a mass exodus of cars at a specific moment, like when a game ends and everyone leaves an arena. Surely a pay-as-you-leave system (with payment options via app/exit booth/pay stations would move things along more quickly.

        • Em 16:14 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          There also aren’t a lot of good park and ride options for people coming from outside the core.

          It’s not just foreign tourists, but also people from the suburbs without good transit connections who only come to the city for big events.

        • Blork 16:40 on 2022-08-01 Permalink

          I never thought I would say this, but these days there are some decent places to eat in Old Montreal, and an abundance of terraces, which brings in a lot more locals in the evenings and on weekends than we used to see. (Compare with the relative dearth of terraces downtown and in many other neighbourhoods.)

          Plus with the Grand Roue and the zip line and all those kiosks along the prominade, it’s drawing more and more locals as a place to hang out (not that many locals go there to ride the Grande Roue, but its presence makes the area feel like a destination).

          So if you’re from the Plateau or Mile-end, or Villeray, or Verdun (all places well connected to public transit) then you’ll probably go there by transit or Uber. But if you live anywhere else you might take a chance and drive — or at least up until now, since this story about the impossibility of parking and getting around is getting a lot of traction.

          Aside: from my limited experience, the greatest congestion is on de la Commune. Notre-Dame can be clogged too, especially between the Basilica and about St-Laurent, but at least it moves. De la Commune can be like a parking lot.

        • Daniel 09:53 on 2022-08-02 Permalink

          @Blork, I’m pretty sure your word count exceeds Kate’s on most pages. Can we cool it with the text walls? Save the fake tourist itineraries for your own blog?

        • Daniel D 10:10 on 2022-08-02 Permalink

          The traffic does make the Old Port / Old Town a misery to walk around to be honest. Especially trying to cross over de la Commune, which feels like a death trap on foot.

          I always thought it was a shame that back in the day when they planned the Yellow Line, they weren’t able to put a station in the Old Town or Port. I realise that there would have been huge engineering challenges to doing this though.

          Anyone remember when they were considering a tram through the Old Port? https://www.cat-bus.com/2013/05/montreal-tram-study-going-about-it-the-wrong-way/

          I think once you implement some decent transit down there, you can talk about making the area a low traffic neighbourhood.

        • Kate 10:21 on 2022-08-02 Permalink

          Daniel, I’ll do the gatekeeping here, thank you. Blork can write what he likes.

        • Chris 09:25 on 2022-08-03 Permalink

          >Why would a French tourist family drive to Old Montreal?

          Probably for the same reasons almost everyone goes everywhere by car. No doubt you’re aware of the reasons. Some off the top of my head:

          you can always sit, no chance of standing
          much more comfortable seats
          no standing in the rain/snow/sun waiting for a connection
          no smelly/loud/obnoxious person right next to you
          less chance of catching the dreaded covid
          you can leave on your own schedule (though certainly not always arrive on your schedule!)
          you’re in private space, not public space, so you can: smoke, blast your radio, not wear a mask, etc.

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