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Kate 08:58 on 2021-08-19 Permalink Reply  

• Meezly 09:38 on 2021-08-19 Permalink

  That’s something at least, but the real ban needs to be done by the federal government. Glyphosate aka Roundup is still allowed in agriculture and Health Canada has deemed a certain amount of it is safe (!), while Roundup has been banned in more forward-thinking countries for at least two years now.

• Kate 09:56 on 2021-08-19 Permalink

  Also, I wonder how easily people will still be able to buy the products online.

• Kevin 10:08 on 2021-08-19 Permalink

  From what I’ve been reading, without Glysophate we’d be in middle of another Dust Bowl because it’s eliminated centuries-old farming practices and allows more crop cover to fight erosion.

  We’ve become amazingly good at detecting traces of everything, but just because you can find it doesn’t mean that it’s dangerous at that level.

• Meezly 10:41 on 2021-08-19 Permalink

  @Kevin, what are your sources? If you’re reading the Bayer website, they’re singing the praises of glysophate while settling a giant lawsuit that has linked the use of Roundup to cases of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

  The “centuries-old farming practices” you refer to was based on the tradition of eliminating the indigenous deep-rooted grass and the bison herds that prevented topsoil erosion in the first place. These were our early steps towards the disruption and loss of biodiversity in the New World.

  There is scientific evidence that Roundup has contributed to further rapid loss of biodiversity – it is a very efficient means to eliminate weeds, which we know is really just unwanted native plants,

• Uatu 10:41 on 2021-08-19 Permalink

  Stay away from golf courses if they still use Roundup because the whole area as a result is one giant carcinogenic field

• Kevin 11:44 on 2021-08-19 Permalink

  @meezly
  On this issue? Statements from the EPA, the WHO, European Food Safety, and other organizations. Sylvain Charlebois. Dr. Sarah Taber. Articles about no-till farming.

  The very first thing to do whenever anyone tells you something causes cancer is to ask how much of that substance and over what period of exposure.

  I’d also want to know what kind of cancer, because cancer is a big scary word that covers more than 120 conditions with varying degrees of severity and treatment. If you live long enough, you’ll get cancer. Cancer is what kills us* because we’ve survived everything else.

  *as a species

• Meezly 12:32 on 2021-08-19 Permalink

  @Kevin
  The very first thing to do whenever anyone denies that a commonly used commercial product causes cancer or health risks is to ask if there is a monetary motivation behind it.

  Here is a July 2021 investigative report on glyphosate:
  https://usrtk.org/pesticides/new-analysis-glyphosate-studies/

• Kevin 12:57 on 2021-08-19 Permalink

  @meezly
  You’re trying to be clever but you missed my point.

  DOSAGE.

  Thank you and have a nice day.

• Meezly 13:20 on 2021-08-19 Permalink

  @Kevin, I admit I may have been trying to be clever and if I did miss your point, it’s probably due to the fact that I don’t understand why you’re so focused on dosage.

  Dosage or limited exposure of glysophate in our food products might be low enough to be deemed ‘safe’ but that does not mean that it’s safe for farmers or people who are repeatedly exposed to Roundup in the agriculture/horticultural industry.

  As I’ve tried to point out, even if a certain amount of glysophate is considered safe, the ‘research’ that’s been done on DOSAGE is being questioned. And something that is considered safe for general consumers can still have environmental consequences, not just for biodiversity but in our soil and water supply.

  The real issue at stake is transparency when it comes to corporate-sponsored evidence considered by public bodies in determining the safety of chemicals and how complicit these public bodies are with the pesticide/herbicide industry.

• Kevin 16:59 on 2021-08-19 Permalink

  @meezly

  I care about dosage because it’s so crucial when it comes to exposure-related illnesses.

  Coffee, tea, and hot chocolate are listed as cancer-causing substances.
  So are Alcohol. Hot water. Wood dust and leather dust.

  So yeah, let the impartial experts decide how much is safe.

• Tee Owe 09:41 on 2021-08-20 Permalink

  As far as I know Glysophate is toxic to bees – losing them will do way more harm to our future than the cancers you are arguing about