Fluoridation in the news
Montreal recently decided to stop fluoridating the water provided to Pointe Claire and Dorval, and this has become an issue, given that a total nutbar member of the Kennedy family is likely to soon be in charge of all health measures in the United States and he hates fluoride, as do a lot of people affected by similar conspiracy theories.1
Jean Drapeau hated fluoride too, which is why Montreal has inherited a policy of not fluoridating. The city position now includes three semi‑legitimate points, viz:
- Fluoride corrodes water infrastructure
- Fluoride would remain in wastewater, then get out into the river and have unknown effects on the river ecosystem
- Most people use fluoridated toothpaste anyway (although if they do, surely the fluoride gets into wastewater just the same?)2
Canada has a nifty experiment with a control already running, which is that Calgary ceased fluoridating while Edmonton didn’t, leaving Calgary kids with a lot more cavities than those in the other city.
Following from these thoughts, the fact that the vaccine facility that was started here during the height of Covid has never been completed should be faced, and the project moved up the priority list. We won’t be able to count on the United States for health assistance now for at least four years.
There may be other areas in which Canada will have to gird itself not to get sucked into a black hole along its southern borders.
1. We mostly won’t need to worry about Kennedy unless there’s another pandemic and he keeps the U.S. from developing or deploying vaccines.
2. I don’t know how many people use alternative toothpastes instead of aggressively minty grocery store brands, but one of their selling points is usually that they’re not fluoridated. So granola kids, and poor kids, might not get fluoride at all.
Kevin 11:22 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
The amount of fluoride in drinking water isnt high enough to cause negative health effects.
The vast majority of people don’t know enough to make informed decisions about their own health.
yasymbologist 11:51 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
I wonder if water fluoridation is still a good venture in light of the prevalence of fluoridated toothpastes and mouthwashes?
If those millennial parents’ “Purity Of Essence” ideologies still have some leinenancy for fluoride in toothpastes and they can also have their kids properly brush it twice every day, I guess cavity won’t be a general problem.
Also the kids in Quebec can use some of the free annual dental examination. A preventive fluoridation at a normal dental clinic costs around 20$, and it is usually covered by the familial group insurance.
Personally, I would like to see the government invest more in the monitoring and removal of PFAS (yet another significant invention from over the southern border, so smooth that it seems like no conspiracy theorist can grasp it) in tap water. And if the government is removing things from the tap water, instead of add stuff to it, I guess even the most seasoned conspiracy theorists would not be able to find an angle.
Meezly 12:02 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
I used to only buy natural toothpaste for my kid, but when she started to get a few cavities, her dentist recommended Colgate Prevident as it has a higher amount of fluoride than regular toothpaste. Then later, my dentist (a different one) also recommended to me. This toothpaste costs around $13 so I only used it on occasion when I finally noticed that the gel was sparkly, which usually means it contains microplastics! This really pissed me off. I thought microplastics would’ve been phased out of most toothpastes by now?! The last thing I want is for trace amounts of this crap being ingested by my kid and leaking into the environment!
MarcG 12:32 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
Meezly that’s a comment worthy of /r/aboringdystopia.
With H5N1 busting through the door and public health on long-term absence I wish us all good luck.
Chris 15:43 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
Sure, RFK’s stance is extreme, but it seems to me there are a lot of good arguments against fluoridating water. In addition to those already mentioned:
it’s expensive
it’s only needed for teeth, not the many other things we do with water: watering plants, showering, etc.
Your teeth can get extra fluoride by rinsing, toothpaste, etc. Schools could also bring back those sachets of fluoridated water that students rinse and spit with.
Vitamin supplements can be helpful for some too, why not add that to the water?
Kate 16:58 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
Chris, we get vitamins from food, and even people with poor diets in this society don’t turn up with scurvy or beri‑beri because there are always enough vitamins and most people are eating similar foods over large geographical areas.
But some minerals are not evenly distributed throughout water supplies and diets. We iodize salt, and in some places, we fluoridate water, because we found out that a trace of those minerals helps people avoid health problems.
Ian 17:20 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
Call me cynical but I’m not going to take medical advice from a professional conspiracy crank like Captain Brainworms. Look up his opinions on pizza as relating to teenagers’ sperm counts, for instance.
Kevin 18:20 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
Fluoridating water is cheap: roughly $50 per year per person.
The cost of one filling is about 3-5 times that amount.
We also live in a country a significant number of people think it’s acceptable to not push their children to brush their teeth, resulting in children getting root canals, and damaged adult teeth before they even erupt.
Don’t underestimate stupidity and laziness.
Chris 18:23 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
>Chris, we get vitamins from food…
Exactly. And we get fluoride from toothpaste and mouthwash. Some fools don’t eat right, and some fools don’t brush right.
walkerp 19:08 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
Yes but those “fools” cost us all. Cheaper to prevent.
Bert 19:41 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
Why might kids get root canals, or wisdom teeth removed? Possibly because they are insured. Way back when, on the tail en of my childhood dental insurance, the dentist comes out says “time to remove your wisdom teeth”. I had not said anything about them. Asked “why?”. No answer offered.
Guess who still has all his wisdom teeth?
CE 20:01 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
There are significant numbers of people who don’t get their kids to brush their teeth?? I feel like that’s something even the worst parents get their kids to do.
jeather 21:42 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
A surprising number of people actually do get scurvy or other deficiency diseases.
Kevin 21:53 on 2024-11-10 Permalink
CE
Yup. It’s got nothing to do with insurance or family wealth/income: there is a whole “natural” movement that has taken root and we end up with kids in the ER screaming in pain because they have never seen a toothbrush, and if they are lucky they get a root canal. If unlucky they get dentures, and by that point the adult teeth in the jaw are already damaged.
I’ll never mock “adulting” classes because some people were raised by assholes.
walkerp 09:49 on 2024-11-11 Permalink
I’m not denying the idiocy of people who make these decisions, but I suspect they are in the minority of the children with dental issues who would benefit from flouride in the water.
Poverty impacts children’s teeth because parents don’t have time/money/consciousness/access to dental care. Drugs and abuse are a factor as well. A drunk parent forgets to remind their kids to brush their teeth or lets them eat whatever. This is where flouride benefits them much more than the rest of us who do benefit from modern dental technology.
Blaming doesn’t fix the problem.
Joey 11:14 on 2024-11-11 Permalink
The Calgary evidence alone strongly suggests that fluoridating the water supply is easily justified from a straight-up cost-benefit analysis, both from the individual’s (fewer cavities and interventions) and the collective’s (better dental health, fewer costly interventions) perspective. Leaving aside the ideological/philosophical/political arguments, the case for fluoride in the water supply is quite strong. The benefits, though, may not be worth the political price of trying to make policy in this particular area, given the times…